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  • #16
    Re: 2012 Indycar thread

    What's your feeling on the engine change penalty? I'm sure they exist so someone won't use a qualzilla engine tuned to last about 5 laps and then 'find' a reason to change it prior to the race. So the rule and penalties eliminate qualifying engines and should keep a lid on racing costs that way....

    ...But I'm not sure what the reason is if the engine issue rears it head in practice and leads to an engine change prior to Q's.

    Plus, with these new engines it's pretty clear nobody is changing out an engine to get an unfair advantage. They have legitimate issues.

    And lastly, the 10 position penalty penalizes the driver, team, sponsors, and in a sense even fans probably more than the actual engine manufacturer whose engine caused the issue.
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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    • #17
      Re: 2012 Indycar thread

      The idea is two fold right now. The engines are supposed to be run for X amount of time before they are eligible to be changed. This info can be downloaded from the ECU. It's part of the cost containment measures.This will prevent Roger or Chipster from running a motor for one weekend (or less) and swapping it out for a fresh unit. The gains are mere percentage points in HP (usually +- 5%) but every little bit helps, right? This also keeps from over taxing the shops contracted to freshen up the engines. It also serves to maintain the limited supply of power plants currently available. They're struggling to supply teams now. They don't need the big boys hoarding motors.

      Next year, I expect it to relax a little bit especially if we see Ford and Fiat on board. The penalty seems harsh, but how do you police the line between excess and necessity? I think the magic ECU would keep the qualifying engine thing in line as well as fiddling with the pop off valve. I think they're all lease engines, so I'm not sure what they are allowed to fool with in house.
      http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
      "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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      • #18
        Re: 2012 Indycar thread

        This is fun.
        "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

        "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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        • #19
          Re: 2012 Indycar thread

          Isn't it!

          Congrats Will Power!

          1. Power
          2. Dixie
          3. HCN
          Last edited by DaveP63; 04-01-2012, 05:14 PM.
          http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
          "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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          • #20
            Re: 2012 Indycar thread

            Great race today. More comments later... gotta run now...
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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            • #21
              I'm so pumped to attend my 1st 500. I've been to 4 brickyards and a MotoGP but never a 500.


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              • #22
                Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                I thought the track looked good on TV... I thought the racing was good and also not totally predictable. NBC Sports does a MUCH better job at presenting Indycar racing than ABC. Too bad they don't have the 500 for the broadcast network.

                That said, since I don't have hardly anything negative to question about the racing I do have some things to mention about the broadcast...

                They finally figured it out and mentioned it but I kept waiting for the booth to make a big deal out of Chevy and Honda battling for the top spot during the run to the checkers. I think both manufacturers would've appreciated the mentions. Sebastien himself made sure that Lotus got several mentions but when Dixon was right on Power's tail the guys didn't mention the engines. It was only later once Dixon had cooked his tires and fell back that they thought to mention Chevy and Honda running 1-2.

                I get the feeling they just aren't used to having equipment differences like that to mention... let alone whatever drama that can create and they can exploit.

                I like Bob Jenkins in the booth. I like him to the point I'm fairly forgiving to some verbal blunders... but I wonder if the average fan or person sampling the product is quite so forgiving? I don't remember Bob fumbling over his words as much back when he was fulltime Nascar guy at ESPN or when he was doing Thunder for ESPN. Has Bob always stumbled over his words and I'm just now noticing or has he gotten worse about it?

                In any case.... The NBC Sports commentating crew is so much better than ABC. I don't think Marty Reid is blessed with the best in partners at ABC and I do have a newfound respect for Reid. I don't think he's the problem with the ABC telecasts in the booth. I am surprised ABC's overall production doesn't take a cue from Versus/NBC Sports coverage. ...just steal some ideas and use them...

                I'm a little surprised Lotus can't get ahead ONE engine for the IMS test coming up. You'd think that would be pretty important to them. They must really be behind the 8 ball.
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                • #23
                  Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                  Originally posted by Bball View Post
                  I like Bob Jenkins in the booth. I like him to the point I'm fairly forgiving to some verbal blunders... but I wonder if the average fan or person sampling the product is quite so forgiving? I don't remember Bob fumbling over his words as much back when he was fulltime Nascar guy at ESPN or when he was doing Thunder for ESPN. Has Bob always stumbled over his words and I'm just now noticing or has he gotten worse about it?



                  I'm a little surprised Lotus can't get ahead ONE engine for the IMS test coming up. You'd think that would be pretty important to them. They must really be behind the 8 ball.
                  He's kind of been out of it for a while. Give him a little bit to get used to faces and names and see if he rounds back into form.

                  Yes, Lotus is that far behind. I don't think there's a spare Lotus engine in the paddock, it's down about 50 HP and it's not getting on well with the McLaren ECU.
                  Last edited by DaveP63; 04-02-2012, 08:04 AM.
                  http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                  "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                  • #24
                    Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                    BIRMINGHAM, Ala - Results Sunday of the Honda Indy Grand Prix of Alabama IZOD IndyCar Series event on the 2.3 mile Barber Motorsports Park, with order of finish, starting position in parentheses, driver, chassis-engine, laps completed and reason out (if any):
                    1. (9) Will Power, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
                    2. (3) Scott Dixon, Dallara-Honda, 90, Running
                    3. (1) Helio Castroneves, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
                    4. (8) Graham Rahal, Dallara-Honda, 90, Running
                    5. (10) Simon Pagenaud, Dallara-Honda, 90, Running
                    6. (2) James Hinchcliffe, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
                    7. (4) Mike Conway, Dallara-Honda, 90, Running
                    8. (14) Rubens Barrichello, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
                    9. (17) Sebastien Bourdais, Dallara-Lotus, 90, Running
                    10. (18) Dario Franchitti, Dallara-Honda, 90, Running
                    11. (13) Marco Andretti, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
                    12. (11) Ryan Hunter-Reay, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
                    13. (26) Oriol Servia, Dallara-Lotus, 90, Running
                    14. (12) Ryan Briscoe, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
                    15. (5) JR Hildebrand, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
                    16. (20) James Jakes, Dallara-Honda, 90, Running
                    17. (15) Josef Newgarden, Dallara-Honda, 90, Running
                    18. (7) EJ Viso, Dallara-Chevrolet, 89, Running
                    19. (19) Justin Wilson, Dallara-Honda, 89, Running
                    20. (21) Simona de Silvestro, Dallara-Lotus, 89, Running
                    21. (6) Tony Kanaan, Dallara-Chevrolet, 89, Running
                    22. (23) Ed Carpenter, Dallara-Chevrolet, 88, Running
                    23. (24) Katherine Legge, Dallara-Lotus, 85, Running
                    24. (16) Takuma Sato, Dallara-Honda, 52, Mechanical
                    25. (22) Charlie Kimball, Dallara-Honda, 45, Mechanical
                    26. (25) Alex Tagliani, Dallara-Lotus, 0, Mechanical

                    Reubens and Seabass ahead of Dario? Hmmm. Bet the Monday morning staff meeting at TCGR is pleasant...
                    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                    "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                    • #25
                      Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                      I said this before the season started but Penkse and Chevrolet are going to be the ones to beat this year. Especially if Will continues his road course hot streak he's been on the past two seasons.

                      With Helio in the mix now, there is probably no stopping them. Dixon showed towards the end of last season he is regaining his old form, and I just can't help to think that Dario has peaked.

                      I really hate the fact that we are looking at 5 oval races this season. I like Will Power, a lot, but the schedule basically is giving him the championship.

                      With that said, I cannot wait until May. These cars are going to be really, really fast.

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                      • #26
                        Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                        The month of May cannot come soon enough!
                        http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                        "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                        • #27
                          Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                          Originally posted by DaveP63 View Post
                          The month of May cannot come soon enough!
                          I know! I take most of my vacation time in May. Get my bronze badge and I'm good to go.

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                          • #28
                            Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                            For those that have never been to Barber.

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea6hn...Ell2-9pDnyaW8=

                            The place is a giant park. The virtual tour doesn't show it, but the paddock area behind the main straight it tiered into 3-4 levels.
                            http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                            "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                            • #29
                              Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                              Originally posted by OlBlu View Post

                              I doubt I will watch much. I will be watching Danica drive the bumper cars....
                              If you quit watching after she wrecks out or falls out of contention it should only take 15-20 mins of your time at most on most of her races. Plus, she's racing mainly on Sats in the Nationwide series, not Cup (except for a select few). So you can watch Indycar on their Sunday races and not miss Danica.
                              Last edited by Bball; 04-02-2012, 03:25 PM.
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                              • #30
                                Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                                I've been hearing rumors of the Indy 500 fielding less than 33 cars. Any truth?
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