The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • #46
    Re: Penn State accusations

    March 2, 2002 -- A graduate assistant allegedly tells Coach Joe Paterno that he saw Sandusky in the locker room shower on Mar. 1 with a young boy. The retired defense coordinator was engaging in anal sex with the boy, believed to be no more than 10 years old.

    March 3, 2002 -- Paterno reports the incident to Athletic Director Tim Curley. Paterno tells Curley the grad student had seen Sandusky "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy." The graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Schultz.

    March 3, 2002 -- The assistant, according to the grand jury report, sticks by his story, saying he saw Sandusky having anal sex with the young boy. Schultz, 62, and Curley, 57, told the grand jury they could not remember the details of the meeting. Schultz said Sandusky "might have inappropriately grabbed the young boy's genitals during wrestling," and Curley said he was under the impression, like Schultz, that the affair involved little more than "horsing around."

    March, 2002 -- Sandusky's locker room keys are confiscated, and he is told not to bring his Second Mile participants to campus. The incident is not reported to police, and no official investigation is launched.

    March, 2002 -- The Second Mile learns of the shower incident through Penn State. Curley tells them that "the information had been internally reviewed, and that there was no finding of wrongdoing."
    How is this stretch not an NCAA issue under lack of institutional control? A boy got raped in a NCAA locker room, the athletic director and head coach of a Division 1 football program were told and they didn't call the cops.

    In the end though, what happens with the NCAA isn't that important maybe sad that they wouldn't try to police it, but not that important. We just have to hope the courts are able to put everyone away that deserves to be put away.
    Last edited by Trader Joe; 11-08-2011, 03:13 PM.


    • #47
      Re: Penn State accusations

      Lots of confusing stuff going on right now. PSU cancels the presser, rumors that Paterno was asked to retire and said no and then the board voted him out. Now he is apparently setting up his own off site press conference.


      • #48
        Re: Penn State accusations

        Originally posted by Hicks View Post
        That's what I was trying to figure out. If I witnessed that, the LEAST that's going to happen is I'm grabbing this guy and throwing him against the nearest wall.
        Repeatedly until one of us is unconscious.
        "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."


        • #49
          Re: Penn State accusations

          These charges are very serious and disturbing, and everyone at the university should be removed, including Joe Paterno, but what bothers me is just how badly the media wants Paterno to be out of Penn State. This is something that's been boiling for years and they've been trying to get him out for years, they've finally gotten a reason to get him out of there.

          I'm not trying to cover the bigger issue which are the disturbing charges, and if true the scumbags involved should get a long jail sentence, but this is a little ridiculous the hatred towards Joe Paterno, unless things change in that regard.
          "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

          ----------------- Reggie Miller


          • #50
            Re: Penn State accusations

            I guess Paterno had a press conference from his home window recently.



            • #51
              Re: Penn State accusations

              Anyone who knew about this and didn't go to the police, deserve to rot in ****. In fact, I wouldn't be opposed to sending them there if someone allowed it. I can forgive a ton of things on this planet, but this isn't one of them.

              Especially that spineless prick who walked in on it and called his daddy instead of beating that man over the head with the nearest football helmet.



              • #52
                Re: Penn State accusations

                Originally posted by Cactus Jax View Post
                These charges are very serious and disturbing, and everyone at the university should be removed, including Joe Paterno, but what bothers me is just how badly the media wants Paterno to be out of Penn State. This is something that's been boiling for years and they've been trying to get him out for years, they've finally gotten a reason to get him out of there.

                I'm not trying to cover the bigger issue which are the disturbing charges, and if true the scumbags involved should get a long jail sentence, but this is a little ridiculous the hatred towards Joe Paterno, unless things change in that regard.
                He was told a 10 year old boy was being raped in his locker rooms and he didn't call the cops. If anything, they're being too nice to Paterno trying to constantly remind us of all the good he has done.


                • #53
                  Re: Penn State accusations

                  Good article by SI, including some history of Joe Pa glassing over other issues.

                  Paterno has done far more good than harm in his career. But if you have been paying attention, you know that he has a bad habit of minimizing serious allegations.
                  When Penn State receiver Tony Johnson was arrested for driving under the influence a few years ago, Paterno said he would discipline him "just because I have to send a message to the squad that it is inappropriate to be out in the middle of the week having a couple of drinks."
                  Police said Johnson had a blood-alcohol level of .136, well above the legal limit.
                  Before a bowl game against Penn State in 2006, Florida State linebacker A.J. Nicholson was accused of sexual assault. Remember: This was not Paterno's player. He didn't have to say anything.
                  But he said this: "There are so many people gravitating to these kids. Maybe he didn't know what he was getting into, Nicholson. Somebody will knock on the door. A cute girl knocks on the door. What do you do?
                  "Thank God, they don't knock on my door. I'd refer them to a couple of other rooms.
                  "But that's too bad. You hate to see that, you really do. You'd like to see a kid end up his career. And he's a heck of a football player, he really is. It's just too bad. That's all I can say. It's just too bad."
                  To sum up, we have:
                  1. An administration that feels it can't control Joe Paterno.
                  2. Paterno's habit of minimizing serious allegations.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Penn State accusations

                    Where's Chris Hansen when you need him?

                    Also if I were a PSU football player I'd never set foot in that lockerroom again.. *shudder*


                    • #55
                      Re: Penn State accusations

                      After reviewing the timeline and reading the whole disgusting grand jury transcript, I was stupid to even half-heartedly try to understand Joe Pa's position earlier in this thread.

                      The witness description of the showering with a boy in 2002, no matter how detailed or not, was 4 years AFTER the coach was previously investigated (1998), which must have had a lot to do with his sudden retirement a year after that.

                      If I am Joe Pa, even if the witness simply told me he saw "horseplay in the shower" then I do call the AD just to ask him to meet me and the witness down at the police station, because I know the details. I had reviewed the somewhat similar details 4 years earlier and forced a coach to retire because of it.
                      Last edited by Slick Pinkham; 11-08-2011, 10:45 PM.
                      The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).


                      • #56
                        Re: Penn State accusations

                        Pretty surprised Sandusky hasn't blown his brains out yet.


                        • #57
                          Re: Penn State accusations

                          Originally posted by Blink View Post
                          Pretty surprised Sandusky hasn't blown his brains out yet.
                          Why? The man has no shred of human decency whatsoever and has been doing this for probably decades at this rate he doesn't feel he's doing anything wrong. After all why would he? Nobody ever held him accountable for it.

                          Blowing his brains out would be the only decent thing he has ever done at this point.


                          • #58
                            Re: Penn State accusations

                            Wow, those Paterno sexual assault comments re: the FSU player are incredibly disgusting.


                            • #59
                              Re: Penn State accusations

                              Originally posted by Cactus Jax View Post
                              These charges are very serious and disturbing, and everyone at the university should be removed, including Joe Paterno, but what bothers me is just how badly the media wants Paterno to be out of Penn State. This is something that's been boiling for years and they've been trying to get him out for years, they've finally gotten a reason to get him out of there.

                              I'm not trying to cover the bigger issue which are the disturbing charges, and if true the scumbags involved should get a long jail sentence, but this is a little ridiculous the hatred towards Joe Paterno, unless things change in that regard.
                              How is it ridiculous? These allegations have been surrounding this man for 10+ years and JoePa not only knew about them, but continued to let that scumbag around his program.

                              If YOU were the coach, and you had a pedophile on your staff, would you just ignore it and watch him continually bring around little boys? I doubt it.

                              Joe turned his back on the law, on what little morals he did have, and his back to every child in the world. No, I'm not exaggerating. When grown *** men cover something up as horrible as this, it puts kids everywhere in danger. How many lives did he screw up by keeping his mouth shut? There's 9 kids that have stepped forward, and I bet there are many more out there.

                              It's disgusting, and I hope he spends some of his last days behind bars where he belongs.

                              Age is not an excuse.
                              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.


                              • #60
                                Re: Penn State accusations

                                retirement, not immediate, but after the season:


                                That seems to minimize the seriousness of this situation. I think it should be immediate for both JoePa and the assistant coach who did nothing, along with the university president, the AD, etc.
                                The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).