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  • #16
    Re: World Cup 2010

    I'm looking forward to the World Cup Soccer in South Africa.

    My favorites to win it all are: Spain, Brasil, Germany and Argentina.
    The group of countries that could go far or knock some of the above named off are IMHO: Italy, Portugal, South Africa (home court advantage always plays a role), France, England and The Netherlands.

    With regards to my own country:
    the biggest dangers we face are as always an average defence, being in the tough part of the draw (Italy, Spain, Brasil.... ) and some players starting to talk too much in the press. Van Persie has a bit of rep with regards to this last thing and the last named danger is the biggest IMHO.

    I think especially offensively there are few countries which have the wealth of offensive oriented midfielders and attackers that we pretty much always bring to bear. Tactically The Netherlands has been a very sound team with a lot of good passing and usually an attractive type of soccer to watch.

    With regards to this coming World Cup... I don't see us winning it or even getting to the final, I do think we are capable of beating ANYONE under the right circumstances. This time I think we should be able to win our group. And we better do, because in the second round we face the number 2 of the group Italy is in, unless we end up number 2 in our group. In that scenario Italy is our likely opponent, not something you want (even though we thoroughly killed them in the first EC match).

    IF we survive that round NORMALLY (but, when does that ever happen) we should face Brasil... ugh... personally, I think that's when we go out. OTOH anything could happen. Two years ago we beat both WC-finalists Italy and France and then Romania to advance to the knockout stages where we faced pretty much a horror opponent... Guus Hiddink and Russia.

    Now if someone knows how Dutch soccer works it's Hiddink. The best Dutch coach around IMHO though van Marwijk seems to pretty damn good too (currently a record 18-game streak without a loss).

    Anyway, I hope we can win it, but I don't think and expect it too happen. I would LOVE for us to finally beat Brasil sometime again in a WC. That alone, together with going pretty far and beating one or more of my top-4 WC candidates or the group below that would make me a very, very happy Dutchman .
    Last edited by Mourning; 06-03-2010, 01:05 AM. Reason: language corrections
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    • #17
      Re: World Cup 2010

      Originally posted by Rupert Stilinski View Post
      I will take a strong interest in both Portugal and Ivory Coast in the hope that they will keep Brazil out of the knockout phase.
      So much for Ivory Coast's hopes to be the breakout African nation in the continent's big coming out party.

      Drogba's broken arm ends any chances they had to cause any trouble for the heavyweights in their group.

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      • #18
        Re: World Cup 2010

        RIo Ferdinand out for England in the World Cup now.


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        • #19
          Re: World Cup 2010

          Boy teams are taking some hits. Hopefully we don't have anything like that. We've suffered enough, especially with Davies out, and now Jozy hurt again.
          Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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          • #20
            Re: World Cup 2010

            I don't follow soccer to closely, but the US has now won thier last 2 games since finalizing their world cup roster. We beat Australia 3-1 today in another friendly game. The world cup is always exciting to watch.

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            • #21
              Re: World Cup 2010

              Originally posted by Mourning View Post
              I'm looking forward to the World Cup Soccer in South Africa.

              My favorites to win it all are: Spain, Brasil, Germany and Argentina.
              The group of countries that could go far or knock some of the above named off are IMHO: Italy, Portugal, South Africa (home court advantage always plays a role), France, England and The Netherlands.

              With regards to my own country:
              the biggest dangers we face are as always an average defence, being in the tough part of the draw (Italy, Spain, Brasil.... ) and some players starting to talk too much in the press. Van Persie has a bit of rep with regards to this last thing and the last named danger is the biggest IMHO.

              I think especially offensively there are few countries which have the wealth of offensive oriented midfielders and attackers that we pretty much always bring to bear. Tactically The Netherlands has been a very sound team with a lot of good passing and usually an attractive type of soccer to watch.

              With regards to this coming World Cup... I don't see us winning it or even getting to the final, I do think we are capable of beating ANYONE under the right circumstances. This time I think we should be able to win our group. And we better do, because in the second round we face the number 2 of the group Italy is in, unless we end up number 2 in our group. In that scenario Italy is our likely opponent, not something you want (even though we thoroughly killed them in the first EC match).

              IF we survive that round NORMALLY (but, when does that ever happen) we should face Brasil... ugh... personally, I think that's when we go out. OTOH anything could happen. Two years ago we beat both WC-finalists Italy and France and then Romania to advance to the knockout stages where we faced pretty much a horror opponent... Guus Hiddink and Russia.

              Now if someone knows how Dutch soccer works it's Hiddink. The best Dutch coach around IMHO though van Marwijk seems to pretty damn good too (currently a record 18-game streak without a loss).

              Anyway, I hope we can win it, but I don't think and expect it too happen. I would LOVE for us to finally beat Brasil sometime again in a WC. That alone, together with going pretty far and beating one or more of my top-4 WC candidates or the group below that would make me a very, very happy Dutchman .
              I'm Korean, but as they won't be doing anything notable in their group (Argentina, Nigeria, Greece) I'm rooting for the Dutch, god knows this is going to be their year finally. I think RvP will do something magical (but I'm biased as an Arsenal fan) but I've got questions about the defense... but I think Brazil is a pretty favourable matchup for the Netherlands this time around - their squad is the weakest I've seen in some time and quite a few of the players (Kaka etc) haven't been in top form. I hear Robben got injured, how long will he be out for?

              Spain can go to hell. As much as I love Cesc I can't support a team that is full of those douchebags from Barcelona (except David Villa who only joined just recently, though I give him half a season before he starts talking about how Cesc should be at Barcelona blah blah blah). Same goes for England.

              Maradona will find some way to mess the whole thing up for Messi.

              I think either the Germans or the Dutch will win the whole thing. Just a hunch.

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              • #22
                Re: World Cup 2010

                I'm scared to death about Gooch. He hasn't played 90 minutes since his injury in October. If he starts against England he's going to be a serious question mark.

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                • #23
                  Re: World Cup 2010

                  Well I might suddenly become the most unpopular person in the thread, as i'm English through and through!

                  Personally, i think the favourites have got to be Spain, then Brazil, followed by Netherlands, Portugal and England as the most likely to disrupt that final.

                  Both England and USA are incredibly lucky with the group we have drawn. I personally don't think USA are likely to make it past last 16 as I think we will win on Saturday, USA then would come second in the group )assuming no upsets) and i think would lose against Germany in the last 16.

                  Having said that, I think the USA team is vastly improved over the last few years, just not to a level that can compete with the top 8 or 9 teams in the world.

                  As for my England boys, I think we have all the potential make a legit challenge for the trophy, but we often have all the promise in the world and fail, so i don't want to put my foot in it. We've got talent, but so have other teams!

                  I personally put Rooney right up there with Ronaldo and Messi as one of the top few players in the world, and i dont think he will disappoint. I think with Gerrand and Lampard in central midfield we are always likely to create chances, and even with a relatively weaker second striker (whether it is Crouch, Defoe or Heskey) I still think we will score goals.

                  Our defence worries me more. Losing Rio was a disappointment. Ledley King is one of the most gifted players, but fitness and injury problems, as well as simply not playing as much football as we would have liked him too over the last few year (particularly as he has hardly played along side Terry) is a concern i think. Cole is, although followed by controvasy off the pitch, one of the best left backs in the world on the pitch, but recent injury is not ideal, and Glenn Johnson, while a threat going forward, doesn't fill me with confidence at the back, as he showed by conceding a clumsy penalty in out final friendly today. All in all, our back four, i believe will be what decides how well we do this world cup. If it gells and plays tigtly together, we could punnish our critics, but if we leak goals then we may well struggle!

                  One big loss, i believe, for the game agains the USA is Gareth Barry, who, for the last few years has provided very valuable cover infront of the defence, allowing freedom for Gerrard and/or Lampard. His injury i believe is a real loss for England, i really hope he regains fitness for the later rounds if we get there!

                  More importantly, i am thoroughly looking forward to the world cup, the game against the USA should be fun the watch, and hopefully, the Final will be as well with the 3 lions bringing football home!
                  'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.'
                  Animal Farm, by George Orwell

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                  • #24
                    Re: World Cup 2010

                    Over there, over there,
                    Send the word, send the word, over there,
                    For the Yanks are comin', the Yanks are comin',
                    and we won't be runnin' anymore!

                    I am getting so hyped for this!


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                    • #25
                      Re: World Cup 2010

                      Originally posted by Rupert Stilinski View Post
                      I'm scared to death about Gooch. He hasn't played 90 minutes since his injury in October. If he starts against England he's going to be a serious question mark.
                      Our entire defense is a question mark. They haven't played that great at all. It looked a little better against the Aussies, but it isn't where it needs to be for us to beat England.

                      I really liked Buddle in the last friendly. I thought Findley was able to stretch the team, but his finishing was turrrible. Assuming Altidore is healthy, I think it best to start him with Buddle, and then bring in Gomez as a sub. If we can't stretch the field, then maybe Findley as well. Torres needs to play heavy minutes IMO, too, because I think he and Bradley go well together. Hopefully a lineup like that will let Donovan and Dempsey do what they need to do.
                      Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                      • #26
                        Re: World Cup 2010

                        Originally posted by Rupert Stilinski View Post
                        I'm scared to death about Gooch. He hasn't played 90 minutes since his injury in October. If he starts against England he's going to be a serious question mark.
                        I cannot imagine they will have Gooch play significant minutes against the English. I could see them using him as a sub or maybe start him, but sub him at half time. I just do not see how you can play the guy significant minutes when he has not played a full game since he was injured in October.

                        I think he would be more of a liability back there.

                        I think Landon's play is the key for the US making it out of our group. If he plays like he did at the last World Cup you can kiss our chance goodbye. If he plays to the form he has been then we should make it out with England.

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                        • #27
                          Re: World Cup 2010

                          so as we're inching closer to the begining of World Cup..let me ask fellow enthusiasts...what do you like about the World Cup?

                          I'm a big fan of the sexy fans that the game of football brings out in these tournaments

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                          • #28
                            Re: World Cup 2010

                            I love the passion that ensures from fans. Some in England go to unbelievable lengths to show their support. That kind of things bring people in communities together in a way that doesn't happen all that often. For example, the british government agreeing to fly the flag of St. George above the houses of parliment for the duration of the world cup that England are in.

                            Certainly in Enlgand, Football brings out a passion and euphoria that is seldom seen in other aspects of life, and in a way that is quite incredible considering it is simply a sport.

                            It becomes acceptable to get carried away, and unite over something, that is the grand scheme of things, is actually relatively unimportant!








                            I agree the girls arn't bad either

                            Last edited by The Hustler; 06-10-2010, 05:49 PM.
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                            • #29
                              Re: World Cup 2010

                              I like watching the US progress as a soccer nation and attempt to get better through each world cup. I hope that one day we'll get to a point where we are one of the world's best and can win a World cup. I think that's definitely possible if we continue to progress.
                              Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                              • #30
                                Re: World Cup 2010

                                It's only a matter of time IMO Suave...

                                Those two english girls are ****ing on fire! Wow...

                                And finally, ESPN just said USA coaching staff and Gooch think he is good to go, and he will start and apparently likely play 90 minutes against England.


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