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  • #31
    Re: Need advice from a Computer fellow

    Again, you aren't going to have four bad graphics chips in a row. It is something to do with your location....
    "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

    "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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    • #32
      Re: Need advice from a Computer fellow

      I'm not seeing the problem?

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      • #33
        Re: Need advice from a Computer fellow

        Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
        Again, you aren't going to have four bad graphics chips in a row. It is something to do with your location....

        I've tested that though. Moved the PC all the way near the end of the house. There's no way it could be location. That should've solved it. If it were. I have also read up on VGA displays and they are apparently vulnerable to a scenario called cross talk, which can cause display issues. I might look into getting a DVI adapter for my monitor and see if that helps anything. If it doesn't, then I might have to switch brands. Maybe Gateway just sucks now.

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        • #34
          Re: Need advice from a Computer fellow

          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
          I'm not seeing the problem?
          It's something you can see best actually being here but trust me it's there.

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          • #35
            Re: Need advice from a Computer fellow

            There is another variable to consider... You.
            Have you checked to make sure anyone else can see the problem? Maybe there's something weird going on with your eyes/glasses/contacts, lighting, walls, and something about the monitor(s).... ??

            Just trying to think outside the box. You simply can't have 4 computers with the same problem and the computers be the problem (well, you could be we'd be into some long, long odds and bad luck scenarios). There has to be another variable.

            I don't see anything in the photos either.
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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            • #36
              Re: Need advice from a Computer fellow

              Originally posted by Bball View Post
              There is another variable to consider... You.
              Have you checked to make sure anyone else can see the problem? Maybe there's something weird going on with your eyes/glasses/contacts, lighting, walls, and something about the monitor(s).... ??

              Just trying to think outside the box. You simply can't have 4 computers with the same problem and the computers be the problem (well, you could be we'd be into some long, long odds and bad luck scenarios). There has to be another variable.

              I don't see anything in the photos either.

              Well I bought all the computers off ebay. Including the one from NewEgg so I dunno. They're all refurbished. The latest being Manufacturer refurbished. Maybe, they're all coming from the same vendor. Either way, I don't wanna look like a weirdo going around my area questioning people about construction work, magnets, etc so that's why I am trying to shrug off the location thing.

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              • #37
                Re: Need advice from a Computer fellow

                Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                I've tested that though. Moved the PC all the way near the end of the house. There's no way it could be location. That should've solved it. If it were. I have also read up on VGA displays and they are apparently vulnerable to a scenario called cross talk, which can cause display issues. I might look into getting a DVI adapter for my monitor and see if that helps anything. If it doesn't, then I might have to switch brands. Maybe Gateway just sucks now.
                I know its an inconvenience, but until you can rule out the building then, you have NOT cleared your location. I hate to be blunt, but when three of four different forums (Protip: Google is a IT Pro's best friend )are all basically telling you the exact same thing to take the PC to another building and try it there, then you need to figure out a way to do it, because unless this thing is a trick of the mind or you have an unknown vision issue going on, all four forums can't really help you solve this problem until you can.

                If this were a common issue with the Gateways you are using, they probably would have surfaced sometime in the 10 years prior that these machines were actually being manufactured by Gateway. I'm 99.9% sure its not an issue with the PCs or monitors.
                "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                • #38
                  Re: Need advice from a Computer fellow

                  Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                  I know its an inconvenience, but until you can rule out the building then, you have NOT cleared your location. I hate to be blunt, but when three of four different forums (Protip: Google is a IT Pro's best friend )are all basically telling you the exact same thing to take the PC to another building and try it there, then you need to figure out a way to do it, because unless this thing is a trick of the mind or you have an unknown vision issue going on, all four forums can't really help you solve this problem until you can.

                  If this were a common issue with the Gateways you are using, they probably would have surfaced sometime in the 10 years prior that these machines were actually being manufactured by Gateway. I'm 99.9% sure its not an issue with the PCs or monitors.


                  Well it's certainly not my vision because I was at the library the other day using their internet to print out some documents and their computers looked fine and dandy. The only thing I can think of is construction because I have construction going on the side of me, and the back. But it's not heavy. Plus, I have a building right next door to mine. Then a street, and then a construction site. I checked behind me and the house in back of mine after the yard has a satellite dish. But satellite dishes are built and installed not to cause such issues. Plus moving the PC to the end of the house would've ruled out the dish.

                  If it is my location, I guess the proper people to call would be the electric company. Or my landlord. My ISP definitely won't be able to help considering it's not internet related. My next door neighbor is a doctor, but I doubt she'd be stupid enough to bring home medical equipment that could cause such problems. And that would take like, a major piece of equipment.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Need advice from a Computer fellow

                    Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                    Well it's certainly not my vision because I was at the library the other day using their internet to print out some documents and their computers looked fine and dandy.
                    But maybe there is some factor in your home, and I can't think of what it might be, that is affecting your vision and playing tricks on you that just wouldn't surface at the library.

                    Have you looked at the monitor(s) in an absolutely dark room with no light except the monitor itself?

                    The problem you're having is SO weird that IMHO it's not going to be an easy computer fix per se'. IOW it's really going to take some detective work. You need to make absolutely sure it is not you and/or your eyes playing tricks on you. So have someone else verify they are seeing the same problem you do. Once you mark that off your list you need to take the computer somewhere away from your place and test it there. Have you brought a (borrowed, rented, work) laptop into your apartment to see what it does? There is the chance there's a vulnerability in the Gateways and you just happen to live where there's a perfect storm of variables that bring it out. That's doubtful but at least plausible considering the strangeness of the problem. Keep in mind if you get a laptop you can connect your existing mons to it to see how they behave... so even if a laptop looks fine I'd still try your other mons with it just to rule them (or their cabling and potential RF issues there) out of the equation.

                    Are you on speaking terms with any of your neighbors? You might see if they are having any TV or computer monitor issues themselves. Maybe you are not alone. In fact, maybe they already have figured out the problem and have a fix.

                    Also... Maybe load up a different (temporary) background on your deskptop and take another photo. Something that has lines so we might have a better chance of seeing what you're seeing and see to what level the problem is. Something like this:
                    http://www.cmmchecker.com/htdocs/crosshatch.jpg
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                    • #40
                      Re: Need advice from a Computer fellow

                      Just saying, if you live in an older home, when older ventilation ducts vibrate, your eyes tend to vibrate at the same frequency. Smarter people have explained this elsewhere, but this is why a lot of people are convinced older structures are "haunted". They "see things" that aren't really there, because of the vibration.

                      Like I said, smarter people have written about this elsewhere. Look up some basics on infrasound.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Need advice from a Computer fellow

                        My apartment isn't old like Circa Child's Play 1980's old lol. It's not old school Ghostbusters 2 New York or before that old. So I conducted another test, was going to re-install windows to see if maybe a driver was acting up or something. But when I got to the blue install screen, I could still see the slant. Meaning it's not a driver issue. So it's A), something in the area like you guys said, B) Bad intel graphics chip, C)Something wrong with Gateway's E-series line in general, or D) The brand has just gone to pot now.


                        To avoid looking like a total freak, I will talk with my landlord tomorrow to see if it's something in the area or in the building. If not, I'm getting a dell computer to replace the Gateway brand. If it is something in the area causing this, it says bad things about computer manufacturers. People shell out as much as $600 or more for these systems. And the craftsmanship is so weak it can be affected by outside signals that aren't of space satellite or mad scientist-invention origins.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Need advice from a Computer fellow

                          Originally posted by Dr. Hibbert View Post
                          Just saying, if you live in an older home, when older ventilation ducts vibrate, your eyes tend to vibrate at the same frequency. Smarter people have explained this elsewhere, but this is why a lot of people are convinced older structures are "haunted". They "see things" that aren't really there, because of the vibration.

                          Like I said, smarter people have written about this elsewhere. Look up some basics on infrasound.
                          What would the vibration cause people to see?

                          In this case, he sees the left side of his monitor picture appearing to be slightly 'bent' or 'slanted'. That's the kind of thing people see due to 'infrasound'?

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                          • #43
                            Re: Need advice from a Computer fellow

                            Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                            My apartment isn't old like Circa Child's Play 1980's old lol. It's not old school Ghostbusters 2 New York or before that old. So I conducted another test, was going to re-install windows to see if maybe a driver was acting up or something. But when I got to the blue install screen, I could still see the slant. Meaning it's not a driver issue. So it's A), something in the area like you guys said, B) Bad intel graphics chip, C)Something wrong with Gateway's E-series line in general, or D) The brand has just gone to pot now.


                            To avoid looking like a total freak, I will talk with my landlord tomorrow to see if it's something in the area or in the building. If not, I'm getting a dell computer to replace the Gateway brand. If it is something in the area causing this, it says bad things about computer manufacturers. People shell out as much as $600 or more for these systems. And the craftsmanship is so weak it can be affected by outside signals that aren't of space satellite or mad scientist-invention origins.
                            But in Gateway's defense the problem seems fairly confined. It's not like this is a common problem happening regularly all over the country. So 99% or more of the computers they've built aren't apparently having this problem. In fact, it appears you might own the only affected ones... so I wouldn't be ruling out mad scientists-inventions nearby just yet
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • #44
                              Re: Need advice from a Computer fellow

                              Originally posted by Bball View Post
                              But in Gateway's defense the problem seems fairly confined. It's not like this is a common problem happening regularly all over the country. So 99% or more of the computers they've built aren't apparently having this problem. In fact, it appears you might own the only affected ones... so I wouldn't be ruling out mad scientists-inventions nearby just yet
                              Well this is my first time using this model. I had a Gateway ev700 from like 2001 that served me well up until last Spring. Then I got an e4100 small form hornet tower last October. The ev700 was I think their peak line. When Gateway was on good times with the Gateway store and all. The e4100 though I think was made in their turbulent era when they were going under, and had to buy Acer and I think Dell too. In order to compete with their rivals. So the E-series line is something I didn't start using until last fall. I've been using the ev700 mid-tower for years. Until the VGA socket went bad. It also needed more ram but finding RAM for the ev700 would've been a chore so I decided to just get a new system instead. Besides, all I needed was a tower. Not a whole new set. Perhaps I am one of the few people with this issue. Or perhaps, this line of Gateway computers didn't sell as widely as expected. Hence, the issue and a resolution isn't out there in the public domain.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Need advice from a Computer fellow

                                Originally posted by Dr. Hibbert View Post
                                Just saying, if you live in an older home, when older ventilation ducts vibrate, your eyes tend to vibrate at the same frequency. Smarter people have explained this elsewhere, but this is why a lot of people are convinced older structures are "haunted". They "see things" that aren't really there, because of the vibration.

                                Like I said, smarter people have written about this elsewhere. Look up some basics on infrasound.



                                So here's something I looked into like a few minutes ago. I am going to buy an external graphics card for my PC. They have them where there's like a rectangular case. And you can plug a vga cable into one end. The other end has a USB cable that plugs into the USB slots in the back or front of your PC. Perhaps this will solve any signal issues if there are any, and establish whether my on board graphics card sucks or not.

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