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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

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  • #31
    Re: There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

    Were I one of the four, I'd be looking to make a deal plenty quick before one of the others does.
    Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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    • #32
      Re: There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

      http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-offic...5349864.column

      Gas intentionally released in house...2 people in custody.

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      • #33
        Re: There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

        Fox59 says IMPD is serving a warrant on a third person.....

        Aishah Hasnie ‏@aishahhasnie

        There might be some major breaking news on way on #indy #southside @explosion in next hour. We are trying to confirm. #StandBy
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        Aishah Hasnie ‏@aishahhasnie

        Neighbor of guy in custody says cops came looking for him 4 days ago. He hid, told her he was innocent. @FOX59 #indy #southside #explosion
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        "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

        "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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        • #34
          Re: There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

          This is horrible you would just hope it was an accident but to think this was intentional is just worse as hard as it is to believe.

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          • #35
            Re: There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

            the morning star says nobody is in custody and reports otherwise were false. They are thinking remote triggering device though.
            Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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            • #36
              Re: There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

              INDIANAPOLIS -

              The City of Indianapolis will order 33 homes to be demolished after the Nov. 10th explosion in the Richmond Hill subdivision.


              http://www.wthr.com/story/20158056/3...side-explosion

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              • #37
                Re: There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

                Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                INDIANAPOLIS -

                The City of Indianapolis will order 33 homes to be demolished after the Nov. 10th explosion in the Richmond Hill subdivision.


                http://www.wthr.com/story/20158056/3...side-explosion
                Why so quickly? Isn't the investigation still on-going?

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                • #38
                  Re: There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

                  Question...... If the destruction of the targeted home was a criminal act, does that affect the insurance of the other homes affected by that act? Does that negate their coverage?

                  I could see the the targeted home not being covered, but would the liablity still have to cover the other homes (hopefully)
                  I am woefully unknowledable when it comes to insurance coverages.
                  Last edited by indygeezer; 11-22-2012, 08:33 AM.
                  Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                  • #39
                    Re: There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

                    Originally posted by indygeezer View Post
                    Question...... If the destruction of the targeted home was a criminal act, does that affect the insurance of the other homes affected by that act? Does that negate their coverage?

                    I could see the the targeted home not being covered, but would the liablity still have to cover the other homes (hopefully)
                    I am woefully unknowledable when it comes to insurance coverages.
                    I believe those homes would still be covered, assuming they had nothing to do with the criminal act that caused the destruction, BUT their insurance companies could come after the people who caused this... and possibly their own insurance.
                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                    • #40
                      Re: There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

                      It begins:

                      http://www.theindychannel.com/news/l...home-explosion

                      INDIANAPOLIS - Three people have been arrested in the explosion on Indianapolis' south side that killed two neighbors and damaged dozens of homes, as RTV6 first reported Friday morning.

                      Monserrate Shirley and her boyfriend, Mark Leonard, who lived in the home, along with Leonard's brother, Robert Leonard, were arrested Friday on numerous charges, including murder and arson. John and Jennifer Longworth died in the blast.

                      Special Section: Indy Explosion

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                      The couple, who lived in the home at 8349 Fieldfare Way along with Shirley's 12-year-old daughter, was visiting a Lawrenceburg casino the night of Nov. 10 when the blast rocked their Richmond Hill subdivision, leveling five homes and damaging dozens more.

                      All three were charged with two counts of murder, one count of conspiracy to commit arson, 33 counts of arson, a Class B felony and 12 counts of arson, a Class A felony.

                      The death penalty will be under consideration in the case, sourced told RTV6.

                      A probable cause affidavit will be released Friday that will indicate that the explosion sparked from fireplace tampering and a microwave oven, sources told RTV6. Additional details of how prosecutors think that sparked the explosion are expected to be released.

                      Couple's Financial Troubles

                      Authorities believe that the the explosion was concocted in a financial scheme.

                      The Call 6 Investigators have uncovered details pointing to significant financial problems for the couple.

                      Shirley filed bankruptcy in 2007 with her then husband, but that case was dismissed this June because they failed to make the required payments, documents show.

                      According to court documents, the home had two mortgages -- one for more than $160,000 and a second for nearly $65,000.

                      The 9-year-old home with four bedrooms and two and a half baths was put up for a short sale in March 2011, documents show.

                      The home was initially listed for $188,900, but the price was dropped to $154,900 four months later and to $149,900 in January, before it was taken off the market.

                      Interview After Explosion

                      RTV6 interviewed Shirley and Mark Leonard in the aftermath of the explosion.

                      "We consider ourselves pretty lucky right now, to be honest with you," he said. "It's miserable, but we're making do with what we've got."

                      The couple, who spoke in the office of their attorney, said they had lost everything and had endured days of questioning with investigators.

                      "It's a big devastation, and we're doing everything we can do help the police investigators, the fire department, the (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives)," Leonard said.

                      "People are talking to me and asking me questions. I mean, I tell everyone the truth," Shirley said. "Everybody's after me, asking me questions. I've answered everything."

                      Mark Leonard's Criminal Background

                      The Call 6 Investigators have been looking into Leonard's background and found a long string of arrests and criminal convictions in several counties.

                      In Johnson County, court documents show he's scheduled for trial Jan. 3 on a charge of driving with a suspended license, and again on Jan. 4 over accusations he failed to repay a $3,300 loan.

                      In Marion County, Leonard's criminal convictions date back to the late 1980s and include stalking, intimidation, operating a vehicle while intoxicated, being a habitual substance offender and dealing marijuana.

                      Leonard pleaded guilty to possession of marijuana in Lawrence County in 1998.

                      The same year, in Hancock County, he took a deal on charges of disorderly conduct, resisting law enforcement and residential entry.
                      Abdul-Hakim Shabazz ‏@AttyAbdul

                      Thermostat was changed in home from electronic to mechanical to helo create spark.
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                      6m Abdul-Hakim Shabazz Abdul-Hakim Shabazz ‏@AttyAbdul

                      Suspects allegedly had items in home insured for $300K.
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                      7m Abdul-Hakim Shabazz Abdul-Hakim Shabazz ‏@AttyAbdul

                      Curry says witnesses say suspects tried to blow up the house a week early.
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                      8m Abdul-Hakim Shabazz Abdul-Hakim Shabazz ‏@AttyAbdul

                      Gas started mid to late afternoon.
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                      9m Abdul-Hakim Shabazz Abdul-Hakim Shabazz ‏@AttyAbdul

                      Took 6-9 hours for gas to fill the house.
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                      9m Abdul-Hakim Shabazz Abdul-Hakim Shabazz ‏@AttyAbdul

                      Gas regulator had been removed from the home.
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                      10m Abdul-Hakim Shabazz Abdul-Hakim Shabazz ‏@AttyAbdul

                      Currry says microwave was point of ignition in Richmond Hills explosion.
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                      "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                      "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                      • #41
                        Re: There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

                        I just read that article too. I can't say I was surprised. When I had heard that even the family cat was in boarding during the explosion it sounded kinda fishy.

                        What an awful tragedy. These guys tried to pull an insurance scam and ended up killing two of their neighbors and destroying almost the whole block of houses.

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                        • #42
                          Re: There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

                          Hopefully justice is done to these worthless pieces of trash.

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                          • #43
                            Re: There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

                            Death penalty.


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                            • #44
                              Re: There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

                              "We on tape at a casino! We got us an alibi! They ain't never gonna suspect us!"

                              I'll never forget seeing this mayhem from the sky a half hour or so after it happened. May these monsters never see the light of day again.

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                              • #45
                                Re: There was an explosion in a SouthSide Neighborhood last night

                                Honestly, it's not just the two deaths. It's the amount of lives they changed in an instant with zero consideration or empathy. The world is better off without them. Put em down.


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