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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • It's the most wonderful time of the year...

    Yes boys and girls it's our favorite time of the year (besides sports) when all the Black Friday ads are starting to appear. Name brand Blu-Ray players and Harmony remotes for $39 dollars and that most important movie accessory the West Bend popcorn popper.

    Disappointment so far no decent discount on stand alone OTA DVRs.
    You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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    Re: It's the most wonderful time of the year...

    Wally World will have a 60" Vizio LED television for $688.... Not 3d but wow one heck of a price.
    You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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    • #3
      Re: It's the most wonderful time of the year...

      Hmmmmm I do have TV fever this season....
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

      ------

      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • #4
        Re: It's the most wonderful time of the year...

        Me too. Looking for a 40-42 in one, hopefully Samsung.

        And I'll be getting my share of dvds.
        Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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        • #5
          Re: It's the most wonderful time of the year...

          Wally deals starting Thanksgiving night

          $3.96 blu-rays
          Rise of the Planet of the Apes [Blu-ray disc only]
          The Dark Knight
          Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
          Battle: Los Angeles
          Unstoppable
          The Princess Bride
          2 Fast 2 Furious
          Die Another Day
          X Men: The Last Stand
          Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1
          Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2
          The Last of the Mohicans
          Fight Club
          Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
          The Matrix
          The Hangover: Unrated
          Columbiana
          Iron Man
          Clash of the Titans


          $7.96 blu-rays
          Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows [Movie Only]
          Fast Five
          Iron Man 2 [Single disc blu-ray]
          Horrible Bosses: Totally Inappropriate edition
          In Time
          X-Men: First Class
          Wrath of the Titans
          Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
          How The Grinch Stole Christmas (Jim Carrey)
          Underworld: Awakening
          21 Jump Street
          Journey 2: The Mysterious Island [Single disc blu-ray]
          Joyful Noise
          Dolphin Tale
          Happy Feet Two

          $8.96 blu-rays
          Brave 2D combo
          Captain America: The First Avenger 2D combo
          The Lorax 2D combo
          Snow White and the Huntsman
          Abraham Lincoln: The Vampire Hunter
          The Cabin in the Woods
          Safe House
          Despicable Me
          Madagascar 3: Europe's Most Wanted
          We Bought a Zoo
          Battleship
          Act of Valor
          The Adventures of Tintin 2D combo
          Thor 2D combo
          Last edited by RWB; 11-09-2012, 04:15 PM.
          You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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          • #6
            Re: It's the most wonderful time of the year...

            I went to Wal Mart to get oil and ended up staring at TV's. I was thinking 60"... maybe 65".... But then there was that 70" on display.

            I have a 53" RPTV so any new TV has to be bigger because that is the law I'm pretty sure.

            I don't really know what I want to be honest. And there's a smidge of interest in a 3D television. I think it's a fad... but it's also the latest thing... So I dunno about going that direction or just finding a bargain 60-65" and be done with it.
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

            ------

            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

            -John Wooden

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            • #7
              Re: It's the most wonderful time of the year...

              The 60" Vizio is a really good bargain. Wasn't that long ago you're looking at $1,400 for the same television. I've got a Panasonic, 2 Samsungs, and 2 Vizios. The Panny and Samsungs have slightly better pictures but not by much. Of course I paid a lot more too and have had them for a while. I think you would be amazed and a nice television is worth every penny.

              For some folks 3D is a big hangup, but unless you're also going to invest in 3d blu-ray movies I keep with the nice 2d tv, buy a blu-ray player (if you don't already have one) and use anything extra for a home theater in a box or shoot even 2.1 A/V system.
              You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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              • #8
                Re: It's the most wonderful time of the year...

                Took the plunge and bought a stand alone no subscription DVR from Wally. Can't believe on what I've been missing out on. First I have never been a fan of this particular brand (Phillips Magnavox) and was a little leery, but the reviews have been outstanding. This unit is one of the very few and possibly only units you can purchase that does not require some type of subscription like a TIVO or your cable company forces upon you.

                Anyway for $249.00 you get a 500GB HDD and dvd recorder. The unit will not record programs in Hi Def, but will record up to 10mbs in a very high quality format. Think 480P progressive scan dvd before blu-ray.

                Just had to throw that out there because for some of us older folks not completely in touch with everything in technology this is basically a replacement for the old VCRs we use to record on. Once again young guys I posted this for mainly the gray beards in here, but I think even tech savy folks like you would be surprised.
                Last edited by RWB; 11-15-2012, 01:15 PM.
                You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                • #9
                  Re: It's the most wonderful time of the year...

                  Does it have an OTA tuner or does it have to be fed from whatever you are watching? Or can it do either? Component inputs?
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                  ------

                  "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                  -John Wooden

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                  • #10
                    Re: It's the most wonderful time of the year...

                    Call me for Cyber Monday. I don't do black friday anymore. Not worth the hassle.
                    First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                      Re: It's the most wonderful time of the year...

                      I can't do better than the following review someone had posted.


                      8th Gen. of Philips/Magnavox HDD/DVD Recorders, 09/06/2012The MDR535H/F7 is one of three in the 53x Series... 533 and 537 are the others. This 535 has a 500GB HDD while the others have 320GB and 1000GB (1TB) HDDs.Primary source of info on these recorders is...(read full review)
                      The MDR535H/F7 is one of three in the 53x Series... 533 and 537 are the others. This 535 has a 500GB HDD while the others have 320GB and 1000GB (1TB) HDDs.
                      Primary source of info on these recorders is here:
                      http://www.avsforum.com/t/940657/mag...#post_12244086
                      Manual is here:
                      http://www.m4c.magnavox.com/files/m/...f7_dfu_aen.pdf
                      * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
                      The Mag 533/535/537 (53x) Series is the 8th, and possibly final, generation of simple, family-friendly, durable, std def (SD, 480i) analog/digital DVD recorders (DVDR) with hard disk drive (HDD) that are yearly improvements of the same basic design and operating system.
                      They're the ONLY recorders, SD or HD (720/1080), available for daily use in North America with:
                      -NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuners for antenna or cable.
                      -Easily replaceable hard disk drive (HDD): 320/500/1000GB (1TB).
                      -Easily replaceable DVD burner.
                      -Widescreen (16:9) recording.
                      -Amplified coax and line input.
                      -DV input.
                      -Coax digital audio out.
                      -1080p HDMI upconvert.
                      -36 timer-rec programs.
                      -6-hour autorecord buffer.
                      -Pause & rewind live TV.
                      -Chase play.
                      -Skip/replay.
                      -Simultaneous play/record.
                      -Record while watching diff. channel on TV via coax passthru.
                      -Integrated TV/DVDR control via HDMI CEC-link.
                      -1-2 hour power backup, dep. on whether Auto Clock is off or on.
                      -Simple editing for your archive copies or home movies.
                      * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
                      FOR NEWCOMERS TO DVDRs OR THIS BRAND OF DVDR
                      The 53x Series are standalone units that can record from an antenna or cable TV. They can also record from cable boxes and satellite receivers or copy from DVRs.
                      They're so easy to use they can be operated by the entire family, from kids to timeshifters to gearheads.
                      Timeshifters can reliably record a bunch of named shows, unattended and with NO tapes or discs.
                      Gearheads can upgrade their HDD or create an "HDD farm" of multiple 2.5" and 3.5" external (E-SATA) HDDs with unlimited storage, <1-min. drive swapout, HDD portability, and external power for less internal heat and stress.
                      The DVD burner is also DIY replaceable with a ~$70 OEM unit.
                      For the past 5 years, this same HDD/DVD recorder design has proven to be a simple and reliable way to record your daily and weekly shows on analog or digital channels, completely unattended, so you can go on a long vacation or business trip and you'll never touch a disc!
                      It's the only device you'll need to copy your family's home movies or your DVR recordings to a stand-alone, no-monthly-fee HDD, where you can edit or not, then high-speed dub to DVDs for a perfect mirror-image of the original. You can also record/copy direct to DVD, if you prefer.
                      If you get your TV signal via OTA antenna, you won't need a digital converter box wherever you've got one of these.
                      Fair warning: The HDD will spoil you rotten!
                      You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                      • #12
                        Re: It's the most wonderful time of the year...

                        In case anyone missed it..... the Dollar Tree stores are now selling blu-rays for a buck. Yep the dollar tree. Not a great selection but what the heck for a dollar it could make a nice stocking stuffer.
                        You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                        • #13
                          Re: It's the most wonderful time of the year...

                          Heads up, Wal-Mart'll have NBA 2k13 for 25 bucks on Thanksgiving day.

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                            Re: It's the most wonderful time of the year...

                            Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                            Heads up, Wal-Mart'll have NBA 2k13 for 25 bucks on Thanksgiving day.
                            oh really? glad i waited to buy it.

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