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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • #31
    Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

    So finally Tobi was revealed in Naruto. Seems like most people guessed it. I even guessed it, but was secretly hoping I was wrong cause what I guessed was kinda lame.

    It's still kinda lame, but I guess I'll have to read on to see if it starts to make more sense.
    First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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    • #32
      Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

      Worst kept secret ever.

      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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      • #33
        Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

        We all knew who Tobi was. Kinda hoped otherwise, but it was too obvious to be anybody else. Oh well.

        In Bleach, Genryuusai is finally showing how badass he is. But that series needs to end.
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        • #34
          Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

          I'm only following it to see it through. Bleach has sunk dramatically in my book, behind several series.
          Last edited by Kstat; 09-08-2012, 12:16 AM.

          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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          • #35
            Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

            Man, I still love Bleach. I don't see what's wrong with it. I do agree that it should end soon, but not because it's gotten old or boring. I just don't see what more needs to be done.

            Naruto, IMO, has fallen off a damn cliff. Since the start of the war, all the battles seem to be going so fast. These are some of the most powerful ninjas and they are over in a blink. Just not digging that.

            Also, I really miss seeing battles besides Naruto and Sasuke, like Neji, Shino and Kiba. That's why I really got into the series was cause there were so many characters. Naruto keeps getting more powerful, but they keep him just as stupid as ever. *sigh* Why does the main guy need to be so dumb and loud? He doesn't need to be a genius, but he's like a few points short of being retarded.

            I do wonder what side Sasuke will ultimately pick. It seems the Kishi is forcing Sasuke to be bad, but it really doesn't seem to fit. I don't see Sasuke as a bad guy. Am I the only one that thinks Kishi just writes Sasuke to be bad just to be bad, even if it doesn't seem to fit with the character? With Madara showing up, it's only a matter of time before Sasuke enters....

            Also, WTF is wrong with Kishi? He has a full page with Hinata confessing her love for Naruto and then nothing. Holy **** snacks that is freaking annoying. At least have Naruto acknowledge her. Good lord.
            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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            • #36
              Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

              Bleach has been old and boring since 2008. Its stunning dive in popularity can be traced directly back to the end of the Aizen saga, which had been building up for seven years and just fell flat on its face. The horribly written Xecution arc following it was the death blow. Bleach's popularity took a sharp nosedive, and kubo tite is lucky they didn't straight up cancel the series on him.

              Naruto has been dragging on as well, but kishi hasn't had a "jump the shark" moment like kubo had where he just killed the popularity of his series. The obito thing could be that, but it's too early to tell.

              Regarding hinata: that WAS her swan song. The whole confession thing was put out there to complete her development as a character. I'd think Naruto saving her life qualifies as an acknowledgement, but I doubt hinata has more than two lines the rest of the series. She is simply not a very popular character. Well, none of the young girls in Naruto are but sakura far exceeds her.

              I would say that's why one piece managed to completely take over the manga world. It simply does not go stale. The plots are varied and rarely involve the same antagonists each time, and the supporting cast around Luffy is extremely strong. Both Naruto and bleach have fallen into the same traps of not developing the secondary characters well enough to stay afloat long term.
              Last edited by Kstat; 09-08-2012, 04:30 PM.

              It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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              • #37
                Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                This guy sums it up way better than I could:




                It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                • #38
                  Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                  Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                  Bleach has been old and boring since 2008. Its stunning dive in popularity can be traced directly back to the end of the Aizen saga, which had been building up for seven years and just fell flat on its face. The horribly written Xecution arc following it was the death blow. Bleach's popularity took a sharp nosedive, and kubo tite is lucky they didn't straight up cancel the series on him.

                  Naruto has been dragging on as well, but kishi hasn't had a "jump the shark" moment like kubo had where he just killed the popularity of his series. The obito thing could be that, but it's too early to tell.

                  Regarding hinata: that WAS her swan song. The whole confession thing was put out there to complete her development as a character. I'd think Naruto saving her life qualifies as an acknowledgement, but I doubt hinata has more than two lines the rest of the series. She is simply not a very popular character. Well, none of the young girls in Naruto are but sakura far exceeds her.

                  I would say that's why one piece managed to completely take over the manga world. It simply does not go stale. The plots are varied and rarely involve the same antagonists each time, and the supporting cast around Luffy is extremely strong. Both Naruto and bleach have fallen into the same traps of not developing the secondary characters well enough to stay afloat long term.
                  Yeah, Aizen turned out to be just another typical bad guy and the end result was pretty bad. Didn't think it was that far different from most other anime, so I'm surprised it really killed it. I guess people are finally fed up of the same crap results.
                  First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                  • #39
                    Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                    I'd recommend trying one piece. Yes the artwork is silly, but as a series it is a model of how to keep a long running manga fresh, without falling into the traps that befell Naruto and bleach. The story arcs are creative, evenly-paced, and written with textbook precision.

                    If you prefer something shorter, I'd recommend any of the series I've mentioned in this thread, but stay away from the sword art online manga. It is a brilliant and deep web novel and they adapted it pretty well into the anime, but the manga adaptation was totally botched.
                    Last edited by Kstat; 09-09-2012, 11:45 AM.

                    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                    Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
                    Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
                    NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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                    • #40
                      Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                      Speaking of Sword Art Online, if you haven't gotten into the anime, the first ten episodes are now out as of today, and it makes for a great jumping-in point.

                      They've done a commendable job of adapting the novel and managing to keep most of the core mature elements that made it so great.
                      Last edited by Kstat; 09-09-2012, 11:45 AM.

                      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                      Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
                      Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
                      NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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                      • #41
                        Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                        Thanks for the link, Suaveness

                        I recently picked up Kuroko no Basket and it's really good.

                        Sword Art Online was great as well. If you liked it, you may like Accel World.

                        Fairy Tail is probably my favorite.
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                        • #42
                          Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                          I mostly watch anime in english since I don't know Japanesse much, but I really liked Baccano, it's a little crazy and series is short but I thought it was pretty bad ***, much gorier than you'd think as well. One of those I wasn't expecting much and it was really good.
                          "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

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                          • #43
                            Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                            Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                            Naruto keeps getting more powerful, but they keep him just as stupid as ever. *sigh* Why does the main guy need to be so dumb and loud? He doesn't need to be a genius, but he's like a few points short of being retarded.
                            If you think that Naruto is stupid then you better not pick up Fairy Tail. Natsu will drive you through a wall
                            Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                            Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

                            Panopticon

                            Originally posted by IrishPacer
                            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                            • #44
                              Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                              Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                              If you think that Naruto is stupid then you better not pick up Fairy Tail. Natsu will drive you through a wall
                              It's not that it drives me nuts exactly. He gets more powerful, but that's about it. I guess I just want more character development.
                              First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                              • #45
                                Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                                I'm reading Berserk. I'm on Chapter 9 vol 9.

                                It's pretty *****ed up for the most part. Gonna give it awhile longer for the background stuff, but can't say I'm digging it so far. It's just brutal to be brutal.
                                First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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