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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • #16
    Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

    I've started watching Wakfu which is a French anime (weird I know) that also has a game out for it that kind of plays like Final Fantasy tactics, the show itself is kind of an fantasy/adventure type setting but the episodes are pretty entertaining and memorable so far. Also just started watching Darker than Black, that one I feel could go either way on whether I end up liking it or not in the long run.

    Also totally agree about death note. that ending in the anime was so god awful it almost inspired my nerdiness to new heights and write my own fanfic ending it was really that disappointing.

    I really liked Soul Eater one of my favorite all time anime, first time I saw Lord Death I was like THAT'S WHERE THAT PERSON ON PACERSDIGEST GOT THAT FROM!!...anyways, what kinds of anime do you guys like?

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    • #17
      Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

      I thought Soul Eater had potential but the end was disappointing IMO. I think they could have done a lot more with those characters.
      Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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      • #18
        Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

        Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
        I thought Soul Eater had potential but the end was disappointing IMO. I think they could have done a lot more with those characters.
        I think the Manga is still ongoing for what that's worth and I agree the ending wasn't the best but I loved the characters and the story. Also the opening song by tommy heavenly6 is catchy as hell imo.

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        • #19
          Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

          Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
          K, how was Otakon last year? Anything good this upcoming year?
          It was good. I'll have to skip it this year, though.

          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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          • #20
            Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

            Moribito (anime)

            Really liked this short series. It was slow pace, but the art was amazing and the fight scenes were pretty good.
            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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            • #21
              Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

              Originally posted by TheDon View Post
              I really liked Soul Eater one of my favorite all time anime, first time I saw Lord Death I was like THAT'S WHERE THAT PERSON ON PACERSDIGEST GOT THAT FROM!!...anyways, what kinds of anime do you guys like?
              I'll watch anything so long as it's good. Hell, the two most recent manga I picked up are a basketball drama and a romantic comedy, both of which are way out of the box for my usual tastes.

              on that note, here was the top ten most popular manga (by copies sold) in japan through june 1 2012.

              http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...012-first-half

              1 One Piece 13,833,116
              2 Naruto 3,081,822
              3 Hunter X Hunter 2,721,003
              4 Uchū Kyōdai (Space Brothers) 2,684,223
              5 Kimi ni Todoke 2,316,005
              6 Fairy Tail 2,271,497
              7 Bakuman. 1,986,502
              8 Kuroko no Basuke (Kuroko's Basketball) 1,969,727
              9 We Were There (Bokura ga Ita) 1,725,725
              10 Attack on Titan 1,715,41

              Two landmark developments. Bleach has dropped out of the top ten for the first time ever, and a basketball manga has taken its place at #8.

              I highly recommend picking the anime/manga up. They're only ten episodes in so far.
              Last edited by Kstat; 06-11-2012, 02:35 PM.

              It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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              • #22
                Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                It was good. I'll have to skip it this year, though.
                Oh that's too bad...this is the first time you aren't going in a long while, isn't it?

                I'll have to check out Kuroko no Basuke. I'm out of touch with what's been good over the past 2 years, so I've got a bit of research to do to catch up.
                Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                • #23
                  Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                  Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
                  Oh that's too bad...this is the first time you aren't going in a long while, isn't it?

                  I'll have to check out Kuroko no Basuke. I'm out of touch with what's been good over the past 2 years, so I've got a bit of research to do to catch up.
                  ten years.

                  I'm definitely doing another con next year, though. I'd like to check out anime expo one more time.

                  It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                  • #24
                    I actually took the time to read up on the last 13 years of one piece...I now understand why it's currently the undisputed king of manga in the world. To keep things fresh and insert cpnew and active ideas/themes for that long a time and still leave people wanting more....it's easy to see why bleach is on life support, and OP is just getting stronger.

                    Also....kuroko no basket. Wow this manga has a remarkable future.I hope the anime keeps pace. It's a love letter to American basketball through the eyes of a Japanese manga-ka and basketball fan. I'm really getting Into it, and I hope this manga keeps following kuroko and kagami through all three years at Seirin. It would also be really cool to see the generation of miracles end up in the NBA.

                    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                    • #25
                      Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                      Just watched the first episode of D Grey Man and Samurai Champloo. Really digging both, but Champloo was simply awesome.

                      I really can't get into OP. The art is beyond horrible to me.
                      First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                      • #26
                        Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                        Samurai Champloo has quite possibly the best first episode of any anime ever, but gets progressively worse after the first ten episodes. It's right up there with Noir in the "episode 1 was the most memorable part of the series" category.

                        OP has poor art but it really isn't about the art style. It's got a much deeper story than you'd think at first glance. That's really what impressed me. The story structure is very well organized. There are well defined sagas, each saga broken into several well defined story arcs. They do a great job of never letting the story go stale. I found myself liking it despite the art style.
                        Last edited by Kstat; 08-05-2012, 10:00 AM.

                        It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                        • #27
                          Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                          To expand on Kuroko no basket again after reading the latest chapter.....

                          It really is fascinating to see the writer's take on what would happen if a handful of teenagers with NBA potential were dropped into the fishbowl that is Japanese basketball.

                          In essence, a 16-year old Kobe or KG, special even among other young American phenoms, dropped into the Japanese basketball system, where the game is still far behind the rest of the world and everything revolves around team success.

                          It isn't out of the realm of possibility to say a 16-year old future NBA star in Japan would be able to demolish entire teams by himself, with little help. His effect on the game would far outclass what it would be here in America.

                          And what happens? You essentially get a microwaved superstar system. The top Japanese schools are so desperate to acquire them that they break their own rules and traditions to acquire them, and basically shove the kids that were already there aside to design the entire team philosophy around them.

                          The teams that don't acquire one of the six "generation of legends" phenoms are left out in the cold, and demolished by absurdly lopsided scores. While the story promotes the values of team play and camaraderie, it doesn't shy away from the hard truth: in the end, the superstar wins more often than not, and selfish play is not always necessarily a losing proposition.
                          Last edited by Kstat; 08-05-2012, 10:24 AM.

                          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                          • #28
                            Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                            I actually don't mind the rest of the Samurai Champloo series, but I do think it takes itself too serious and loses its charm. I think the sword fights in that series are some of the best in anime, and it's really fun to watch.
                            Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                            • #29
                              Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                              The web novel Sword Art Online was finally animated recently. They put a lot of care and money into making it.

                              And if you haven't read the novel series itself, it is outstanding.

                              It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                              • #30
                                Re: The Anime/Manga thread...

                                To follow up, watching sword arts online and accel world at the same time is really messing with my head. Its like reading chapter 1 and chapter 30 of the same book....

                                It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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