The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

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Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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Dont pump gas on April 15th

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  • Dont pump gas on April 15th

    damn you guys can be a bunch of pretentious asses sometimes. i was just trying to do something i thought was nice. damn!
    Last edited by LetsTalkPacers; 03-29-2012, 01:56 AM.

  • #2
    Re: Dont pump gas on April 15th

    I am with you on this and will make sure to remember.


    • #3
      Re: Dont pump gas on April 15th

      I will get gas if I need it when I need it.


      • #4
        Re: Dont pump gas on April 15th

        False and misleading. Here's why:

        1. The flier above was copied almost verbatim from a chain email that went around five years ago, in April 2007. The date is new, but the message is the same. It didn't work in 2007, and it won't work in 2012 for the same reasons.

        2. Contrary to what's stated above, there was no nationwide "gas out" in 1997. None. There was one in 1999, and it did generate a fair amount of media attention, but it didn't cause gas prices to drop 30 cents per gallon overnight — in fact, it didn't cause gas prices to drop at all. Despite the popularity of the chain letter, the 1999 "event" attracted few active participants and was completely ineffectual.

        3. The figures don't add up. If (as unlikely as it is) 100 million U.S. drivers did refuse en masse to refill their tanks on April 15, the total amount unspent on fuel that day could add up to as much as $3 billion. It doesn't follow that the boycott would decrease the oil companies' revenues by $3 billion, however, given that normal gasoline sales per day, across the entire United States, is less than half that much to begin with.

        4. Whether the total impact on revenue was a half-billion, 3 billion, or 10 billion dollars, the sales lost due to a one-day consumer boycott wouldn't dent the oil companies' profits at all in the long run. Think about it. Every driver who refuses to buy gas on Sunday is still going to have to fill their tank on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday, which will rapidly make up for Sunday's lost sales. Gross profits for the month as a whole, if not the week, will end up being normal, or very close to it.

        A meaningful boycott would entail participants actually consuming less fuel — and doing so in a sustained, organized, disciplined fashion over a defined period of time — not just skipping a day before filling up as usual.


        • #5
          Re: Dont pump gas on April 15th

          A meaningful boycott would entail participants actually consuming less fuel — and doing so in a sustained, organized, disciplined fashion over a defined period of time — not just skipping a day before filling up as usual.
          Well this is wrong. Our fuel consumption has been going down for years now, and prices continue to climb. It's because oil is a global market and other countries, like China and India, have an increased demand that far outweighs our decreased demand.
          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.


          • #6
            Re: Dont pump gas on April 15th

            If the idea was to send a signal and there were tumbleweeds rolling through gas pump islands come April 15th then it might at least send the signal to politicians that Americans are fed up with the out of control fuel prices as well as the fact that supply and demand in the American market isn't even an issue for prices since Big Oil has just exported our excess thus artificially shrinking supply... and tipping the supply and demand scales in their favor for prices and profits.

            But telling consumers to just get their fuel on the 14th or 16th doesn't hurt anyone's pockets. As long as you consume the same amount of fuel over the course of the week... or month... then at best the oil companies will have increased profits on the 14th and 16th, even if they take a hit on the 15th. The average for the 14th, 15th, and 16th will be exactly the same.

            The other issue I see is the 15th is a Sunday. I expect fewer people buy fuel on a Sunday anyway so unless this thing was to really become a super movement that nearly 100% of the people followed then we're probably not even going to see a dent in big oil's regular Sunday sales.

            So technically, it can't just be to shift your purchase from one day to the next to have any impact on big oil directly. There does need to actually be no fuel used. It might be better to have Sunday April 15th be "Park your car day". Just don't use fuel at all on April 15th.

            Unfortunately, the amount we save will just be exported so the supply and demand equation will just be manipulated to keep the existing balance as well as speculation high along with profits.

            And if it's just to be a signal to Washington that it's time to act in some way... well then the message needs to shift to be more accurate and less urban legend. And it needs to be followed to the point of tumbleweeds rolling between the pumps.
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.


            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

            -John Wooden


            • #7
              Re: Dont pump gas on April 15th

              We've reduced our gasoline consumption by about 3% since 2007, but we've more than made up for it by doubling our ethanol consumption. One reason why corn prices went way up, and then way down when farmers grew more corn. Supply and demand.

              While I have no numbers on India and China consumption, it's pretty obvious they have a pretty big impact. When their GDP #s start perking up again, they'll probably have even more demand. Wait until your average Chinese have cars and want to go places in them. At some point there will be a great competition for oil and it'll get ugly.
              Don't thank me, I'll kill ya.


              • #8
                Re: Dont pump gas on April 15th

                No, there has never been a successful no-gas day...and believe me, I've seen em all.

                Now, strictly as a business decision I traded my F-150 Super CrewCab for a Toyota Prius. But I would have done that if the price was $2.00 a gallon. Strictly a business and economics decision not based on Global Warming or whatever energy plan the President comes up with, this was strictly a cost reduction it never hurts the image to show a client that you are "environmentally friendly" even when you are a conservationist not an enviromentalist.
                Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.


                • #9
                  Re: Dont pump gas on April 15th

                  How was he being a Dbag? He was just stating his opinion on this topic.


                  • #10
                    Re: Dont pump gas on April 15th

                    FWIW, UB's post came across as harsh when I read the post.

                    Gotta love the internet, where tone is hard to read at times.

                    Back on point, good intentions, but bad execution. As others have said, one day wont do jack to major oil.


                    • #11
                      Re: Dont pump gas on April 15th

                      Originally posted by Knucklehead Warrior View Post
                      At some point there will be a great competition for oil and it'll get ugly.
                      And when it does, the US will be one of the very few countries that won't be forced to go through OPEC and compete in a global market to get their oil. People forget just how much oil this country is sitting on and how much more it has left in the ground.
                      Last edited by travmil; 03-28-2012, 06:17 PM.


                      • #12
                        Re: Dont pump gas on April 15th

                        Besides all the good points already given for why this is pretty dumb idea, I'm curious as to what those who support this are actually hoping to accomplish? What exactly is the message going to change? A temporary increase in barrels of crude sold? This is a simple supply and demand issue Supply is finite and is decreasing, demand continues to increase as the human population continues to explode. Prices are going to go up, that's what happens. The daily and even seasonal fluctuations in gas prices are mostly due to people trying to make a quick buck off the trading of oil futures.


                        • #13
                          Re: Dont pump gas on April 15th

                          Not buying gas on one day is going to freak out the oil companies? It's not like they think you'll never come back.


                          • #14
                            Re: Dont pump gas on April 15th

                            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                            Well this is wrong. Our fuel consumption has been going down for years now, and prices continue to climb. It's because oil is a global market and other countries, like China and India, have an increased demand that far outweighs our decreased demand.
                            Additionally, speculators are driving prices up.


                            • #15
                              Re: Dont pump gas on April 15th

                              These gas prices are killing me. I wonder if my local gas station has financing.