The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

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Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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PD's Biggest Loser 2012

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  • #91
    Re: PD's Biggest Loser 2012

    That would be great. I am in a weight loss program right now with the VA hospital. The first month I did good with writing everything and dropped 24 pounds that month. The next month I still wrote everything down but I ended up having to eat out a few times a week and I only dropped a pound. The third month I dropped 8 pounds and didn't write anything down. This past month I gained 4 pounds and didn't write anything down. Exercise is difficult because at my job I am walking, climbing and carrying stuff that is sometimes heavy. I did start my job just a few moinths ago and have some stress trying to learn the systems and managerial duties as well. I have some joint problems and it is hard to work out right now. I think me writing down what I eat helps out a lot. Anything you could send would be great. I also have my daughter who has become the "food police" and she gets on my lately if I have too much to eat or get a midnight snack. I will look up the Target Metabolism too because it sounds interesting to me. Thanks a lot again and hopefully I can shed some of this weight.


    • #92
      I started weight training early in the summer. I started at 275 and lost 8 pounds before I gained 6 in muscle weight. Biggest improvement was going from 380 to 705 pounds on leg press.

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      • #93
        Re: PD's Biggest Loser 2012

        I went to the doctor Wednesday and found out that I have gained 3 pounds since my pneumonia kicked in. Hopefully it will keep getting better. It has been a total of five weeks now. Hopefully by the time summer ends I can slowly work my way back on the treadmill slowly and maybe even start lifting weights again little by little. I still have a long, long way to go and I know it will take some time.


        • #94
          Re: PD's Biggest Loser 2012

          down to 200lbs - 16lbs overall in the first 4 weeks...not bad and the momentum is going well...


          • #95
            Re: PD's Biggest Loser 2012

            Down to 327.6 lbs. I think it is because I have been working more and walking all around the store for 4-10 hours a day can burn off some energy. Even though I have been eating pretty badly.


            • #96
              Re: PD's Biggest Loser 2012

              As of this week I have finished my 6 month program with Target Metabolism. The total damage is as follows.

              Weight is 291, so that's 44 lbs lost since January 1st and 30 of it lost after starting Target.

              My lean mass went up from 161 lbs to 171 lbs. Fat lbs went from 174lbs to 119 lbs. so that's 55lbs of pure fat loss in the 6 months I was on Target. I'm pretty stoked about it. My 4X shirts are hangin off of me I'm gonna have to buy new.


              • #97
                Re: PD's Biggest Loser 2012

                I am down to 325 now, down 2 more pounds. I have been eating a little better but I attribute it more to working more hours.


                • #98
                  Re: PD's Biggest Loser 2012

                  Well guys, I am expecting a pretty good weight drop in the next few days. I have a wisdom tooth needing to come out and it just broke in half. I guess it is soft foods until my dentist appointment at the VA September 24th. After that I figure another 2 days to a week to get back to normal.


                  • #99
                    Re: PD's Biggest Loser 2012

                    I viewed this thread sometime ago, but never really posted. Guess I liked being in the closet about my weight.

                    I had been right around 315 pounds through my late 20's, but after having some complications from surgery which took a summer of physical activity away from me I ballooned up to about 350. I got motivated and joined a gym in March. On Fathers day I weighed 320 and ran/walked a 3.5-mile trail run in 48 minutes. This summer (I am a Grad Student), since I couldn't find work anyways, I made my health a top priority. I gave up soda and sweets (still have an occasional Dr. Pepper 10, coke zero, or even a Pepsi Next although I drink mostly water), for a month I tracked my calories using the "My fitness pal app”. For that month I ate 2100 calories (app estimated 2 #’s a week weight lost).

                    Since March I lift weights 3 times a week. During the summer I did 40 minutes cardio(mostly elliptical with some jogging) daily with two a days on the days I didn't lift. I also joined a swim club where I got hooked on shooting baskets again(hadn't played in 5-6 years prior). This summer I also started shooting baskets, dribbling, and jogging. I found simply shooting baskets and jogging to get the ball is actually a great cardio workout. While utilizing that strick schedule I lost over 20 pounds in June. In the beginning of July I broke under the 300# mark. Currently I weigh just under 270 and last Saturday completed the Fort for Fitness 4 mile run in 46:41(still walked some) which is better than 5 MPH.

                    Today after jogging a mile and shooting baskets for 20 minutes I was approached by some 20 somethings about playing a 2 on 2 game. I told them I would try, but I was already drenched in sweat and had my heart rate elevated for over 40 minutes(I wear a motoactive with chest strap heart rate monitor to track my calories ect.(it even has a basketball setting). Anyways we lost 15-14, but I didn't embarras myself. This was the first time in at least 5 years that I played in a competitive game in basketball.

                    While I am obviously proud of myself, I decided to post here to share my story and thank the people who started this thread because even though I never posted in this thread you guys were a source of motivation.
                    I also want to share what works for me. Since School started backup a rarely do 2 a days and they were only really necessary because I wanted to loose it fast. The majority of my cardio has been done on an elliptical trainer, but I always try to elevate my heart rate 40 minutes in any cardio workout (once I worked up to it) since I read it is the optimal amount for fat loss. I lift every other day M-W-F and try to only do low impact on Friday and Saturday. I use my monitor and time my reps so my heart rate never drops below 120 while doing about a 40 minute circuit of 3 sets 10-12 reps( lat pulldown, Triceps push down, seated row, bench 2 sets 2 different ways on the machine, preacher curls, leg curls, and leg press 2 sets feet one inch and shoulder as well 2 sets calves on same machine.) This is my routine and it has worked very well for me,

                    I weigh less than when I graduated high-school (I'm 6'2 and will always be a big guy) and have lost over 80 pounds in sixth months. I don't “diet”. I simply don't drink my calories and don't eat the things that everyone knows aren't good for them. I eat whole grain pasta and bread, 2% cheese, 1% milk, avoid flour tortillas, and limit the hamburgers. I eat French fries no more than once in a week(rarely that), however if I am hungry I eat. That one-month of calorie counting also made me very knowledgeable about how many calories are in food and I try to limit them where I can. While I don't journal calories I still us my fitness pal to make healthy choices.

                    The biggest tips I can give are; First, low impact exercises are your friend. Limiting high impact exercise keeps you from missing workouts from injuries.

                    Second, Know what you eat. Counting calories works (love my fitness pal) but at the very least you need to be educated on what you eat. Finally seek advice either through research or a consultation with a trainer. I only met a trainer once but he provided me with a routine that I still follow. Ultimately I worked hard, didn’t cut corners and did nothing mysterious. I am also stronger than I have ever been. If you cut your calories to much you are going to loose muscle as well as fat.

                    Ok this is long enough. Playing competitive basketball for the first time in a long time reminded me of this thread and I decided to contribute. Hopefully someone finds this of value.
                    Last edited by spazzxb; 10-05-2012, 02:29 AM.


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                      As the temps fall, I fear my weight is going to go back up. It hasn't helped that I recently have given up smoking...
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                      • Re: PD's Biggest Loser 2012

                        My weight has taken an upswing too recently. I was down to 325 and weighed myself today and am a 334. I blame it on my lack of energy and poor discipline when it comes to eating lunch at work. I gotta start doing better because I get weighed again on 10/15 at my doctor's appointment at the VA Hospital in Marion, IN. It doesn't help that my appointment is with a doctor who I have never seen before who has already taken it upon himself to change a few of my medicines. I am gonna try to stay positive then, but I can see me asking how or why he would do that with no input from me. That stresses me out and when I am stressed out I usually eat more.


                        • Ran/walked a 5k in 32:15 today. Also down to 262

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                            Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
                            Ran/walked a 5k in 32:15 today. Also down to 262

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                            The one at Fort Harrison State Park? I jogged/walked in that. 40 minutes flat. My 5 year old did the kids fun run and finished 4th in his age group. He would have won but he felt sorry for me and didn't leave me in his dust until halfway through.


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                              • Re: PD's Biggest Loser 2012

                                I met with my nutritionist and found out that I have gained back 15 pounds of the first 30 that I took off. We rallied around and made a plan for me to start writing down everything that I eat and drink in a journal and count the calories. I have been drinking a lot of calories. I will be talking with her on a weekly basis on the phone and monthly office visits. This is a great free programs for disabled veterans.