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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Geekboy inme hyperventilating..Avengers trailer!!

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  • #76
    Re: Geekboy inme hyperventilating..Avengers trailer!!

    Saw a couple episodes of the Green Lantern and did not like it at all.
    First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
      Saw a couple episodes of the Green Lantern and did not like it at all.
      Terrible...just terrible...

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      • #78
        Re: Geekboy inme hyperventilating..Avengers trailer!!

        Ultimate Spider-man isn't much better.


        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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        • #79
          Re: Geekboy inme hyperventilating..Avengers trailer!!

          Just managed to check it out on Sunday - was a good flick but I still don't care about Widow, Hawkeye & Cap. America. These characters just don't do anything for me at all. Hulk was great - makes you realize just how awesome a solo Hulk movie could be if done by the right people. In terms of this movie - the plot line was as weak as a Transformers movie - so many plotholes and head scratching moments - the visuals and the actions scenes did a good enough job to cover it up but once the movie was over and you're looking back at what happened - you come to a realization that the script was really flawed.

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          • #80
            Re: Geekboy inme hyperventilating..Avengers trailer!!

            It was, but it was still a fun movie. I thought this movie would suck all the way around. Glad it didn't.
            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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            • #81
              Re: Geekboy inme hyperventilating..Avengers trailer!!

              Originally posted by bellisimo View Post
              Just managed to check it out on Sunday - was a good flick but I still don't care about Widow, Hawkeye & Cap. America. These characters just don't do anything for me at all. Hulk was great - makes you realize just how awesome a solo Hulk movie could be if done by the right people. In terms of this movie - the plot line was as weak as a Transformers movie - so many plotholes and head scratching moments - the visuals and the actions scenes did a good enough job to cover it up but once the movie was over and you're looking back at what happened - you come to a realization that the script was really flawed.
              Yeah. When a film leaves gaping plot holes (e.g. Loki's plan for world domination) or has some terrible inconsistencies (Loki's powers), it makes the movie a lot tougher to watch. It says a lot about who well acted and directed Avengers was that it was still so enjoyable.

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              • #82
                Re: Geekboy inme hyperventilating..Avengers trailer!!

                What was inconsistent about Loki's powers to you? The bit with Hulk? I thought that worked because he was caught off guard, and only Hulk could pull that off. Loki and Thor are about on par, power-wise. If Thor wasnt expecting it, the same thing could have theoretically happened to him. If anything, the bad writing in that case is that Loki is smart enough to know better than to let his guard down like that.

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                • #83
                  Re: Geekboy inme hyperventilating..Avengers trailer!!

                  Also, what was the problem with Loki's plan? That it was inevitable that his providers would never honor the deal?

                  If so, I get that. Though to be fair, he's the god of mischief, so it could be that he was aware of that probability but didn't fully care.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Geekboy inme hyperventilating..Avengers trailer!!

                    Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                    Also, what was the problem with Loki's plan? That it was inevitable that his providers would never honor the deal?
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                    My problem (personal opinion alert) was that it never was clear or made any real sense. To me, it seemed like he wanted world domination because of his massive ego and need for attention and respect. It never made sense to me why the goobers gave him that staff in the first place, but that might be more due to my hasty viewing of Thor than any plot issues with this movie.

                    I do think there were plot holes, but the movie was extremely enjoyable nonetheless. If you had to lump me into a "DC or Marvel" group, I would probably be more of a DC guy (Batman rules all, and it's not close for me). But I saw all the movies leading up to this and thought it was about as well done as a movie on this scale could be. I have minor beefs with some of the characters (I don't give two ***** about Scarlett's character or the arrow shooting dude, and Captain America continues to baffle me), but the movie is everything you want in a summer blockbuster. Popcorn movie at it's finest.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Geekboy inme hyperventilating..Avengers trailer!!

                      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                      Also, what was the problem with Loki's plan? That it was inevitable that his providers would never honor the deal?
                      He wanted world domination - yet his plan couldn't even secure 3 blocks in Manhattan - if Black Widow's regular guns are able to take out these powerful monsters, then did we really need Avengers? Why not just bring out the army and shoot 'em down? It just all felt like over the top build up for something which did not deserve it - basically this "threat" could've been handled without Assembling the Avengers - the only one with powers was Loki - and even he didn't really put much of a fight (he seems to be more of a weakling who tries to be the evil mastermind - rather than a power badguy...don't know enough about his backstory from comics)

                      And what exactly was Loki's plan with the Hulk? I didn't really understand that - at first I thought he wanted to use the Hulk against the world - but then they never really tried to go down that path in terms of the script - so that wasn't so clear to me.

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                      • #86
                        Re: Geekboy inme hyperventilating..Avengers trailer!!

                        The editing room just came out with their abridged Avengers script. I read it on Cracked. Couple of great bits:

                        Suddenly, HEMSWORTH, EVANS and DOWNEY JR. look around and notice it's their first on-screen appearance together.

                        CHRIS HEMSWORTH
                        Quick, someone think of a super contrived reason for us to fight!


                        ROBERT DOWNEY JR.
                        I'll fight you because you want to fight your brother, who I also want to fight!


                        CHRIS EVANS
                        And I'll fight you both because I want you to stop fighting!


                        They proceed to act out their STATS from THE AVENGERS COLLECTIBLE TRADING CARD GAME and establish they are all EXACTLY EQUAL IN POWER, somehow. Guy on steroids, genius in a robot suit, invincible deity: basically identical.

                        ...

                        CHRIS EVANS
                        Hang on a second, your hammer has decimated everything you've ever hit with it, you had no way of knowing my shield or Robert's armor would protect us. Did you just attempt to straight-up murder us? Don't change the scene, I want an answer to thi-



                        TOM HIDDLESTON
                        Foolish mortals, I shall destroy all of your cars! Everyone get out of the way, I don't want you to get hurt when I explode all of your cars!
                        Last edited by AesopRockOn; 05-18-2012, 03:14 AM.
                        You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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                        • #87
                          Re: Geekboy inme hyperventilating..Avengers trailer!!

                          Originally posted by bellisimo View Post
                          He wanted world domination - yet his plan couldn't even secure 3 blocks in Manhattan - if Black Widow's regular guns are able to take out these powerful monsters, then did we really need Avengers? Why not just bring out the army and shoot 'em down? It just all felt like over the top build up for something which did not deserve it - basically this "threat" could've been handled without Assembling the Avengers - the only one with powers was Loki - and even he didn't really put much of a fight (he seems to be more of a weakling who tries to be the evil mastermind - rather than a power badguy...don't know enough about his backstory from comics)
                          A couple of things. First of all, without the Avengers, the portal never closes and those things keep piling out (theoretically 'indefinitely') and while the soldier aliens could get taken down, it's a whole other story when you factor in the giant serpents. Those things would have seriously ****ed things up (Jarvis tells Iron Man that none of his weapons would penetrate its armor, so I doubt the military would have much luck with them without going nuclear or managing to get a missile in its mouth I guess), and even said soldiers would have those energy weapons that tend to vaporize a human being on contact (as they did for Hydra in WWII in Cap. America's movie). So it wouldn't have been that easy. And there could easily have been additional monsters/weapons yet to be deployed. And, again, Loki.

                          And what exactly was Loki's plan with the Hulk? I didn't really understand that - at first I thought he wanted to use the Hulk against the world - but then they never really tried to go down that path in terms of the script - so that wasn't so clear to me.
                          He wanted the Hulk to do what he did end up doing: **** up the hellicarrier, kill/hurt people and/or the Avengers, and it more or less did that (didn't kill the heroes, obviously, but it certainly disrupted them all and sent some of them away). Basically to kill whomever he could if possible, cause damage, and ultimately it was just to buy time for the scientist to open the portal in NYC. Remember that's the key: He let himself get caught and then tried to get the Hulk to show up to stall.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Geekboy inme hyperventilating..Avengers trailer!!

                            Anyway, I saw this for a second time last night, and that helped clarify some things with me that were less so the first time around. Not having to be distracted by babies and a group of teens who laughed at EVERY. EFFING. THING. in the movie was a tremendous help, too.

                            God, those kids drove me nuts last week. Someone on screen says something funny, laugh as hard as possible. Someone says something kind of funny, laugh as hard as possible. Someone says something witty, laugh as hard as possible. Someone emotes, laugh as hard as possible. (Seriously, they even did this when Black Widows was just looking scared that Banner might Hulk out on her in India) Something cool happens, laugh as hard as possible. They were sitting right in front of me. It was awful.

                            So, yeah, not having that nonsense pulling me out of the movie made it much easier to stay involved.

                            I like the movie more now than I did the first time. From B+ to A- on my gradebook.

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                            • #89
                              Re: Geekboy inme hyperventilating..Avengers trailer!!

                              Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                              Saw a couple episodes of the Green Lantern and did not like it at all.
                              I try to balance things with the fact there are targeting this for young kids, but I have really liked the series a lot, as a whole. I like the space frontier aspect. Big space western motif feels right for me.for me. I haven't read the actual comic book for years (or any comic book), so I'm basing my opinion on just the series itself. At first, I was irritated how powerful the Red Lanterns are, but then, that makes sense. Rage is immediate, fierce and short term. In these little one on one skirmishes, it makes sense the Red would be so strong. I actually really enjoy the GL series. What don't you guys like about it? But I don't like it as much as...

                              Young Justice. Man, I REALLY like YJ. Although I'm liking that they made the jump in time and moved on past the training stuff (always boring), I hate they have put some much backstory that we've missed. NOne-the-less, can't wait for it every week.

                              On that same Tip, Avengers is number one. I freaking love Ms. Marvel, and I've never been a big fan of hers. One thing about Avengers is they are wasting time on stories that don't have much impact, far as I'm concerned. I didn't need the Ant-man/Iron Fist/Luke Cage story. It was nice seeing Beta Ray Bill, but it felt just felt rushed. I am a happy guy on Sundays laying one th couch hitting my trifecta of animated comic books.
                              Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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                              • #90
                                Re: Geekboy inme hyperventilating..Avengers trailer!!

                                Saw Avengers in 3D. I think I'm completely over 3D now. Movie great. 3D is meh.
                                First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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