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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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  • #61
    Re: Dealing with Generation Text

    Originally posted by Pacers#1Fan View Post
    I wont call anyone out but I remember when a rather big deal was made about people replying "no problem" to "thank you" instead of "you're welcome". This just kind of reminds me of that instance.

    That being said, I was looking over some job applications that came into my store and was amazed at how many people under the age of 20 think that shorthand and text language are acceptable in everyday life. I am not the one that does the hiring in my store because I am a full-time student first and foremost, but I am regularly asked to give input on applicants. If anything is taken from this post let it be this: if you write your resume and/or fill out an application in shorthand or text language the employer WILL laugh at you, think you are an idiot, and throw your application away. I would assume the same goes for college and graduate school applications would be reviewed in similar ways.

    If you don't like the way someone posts IGNORE them. If you're not sure how just PM Hicks. I ignored someone just a week or so ago for the first time in my five plus years as a member of this board and had to ask Hicks to figure out how. It's simple and saves quiet a bit of headache if you can't stand the way someone posts.
    is this place really like that wow why do u call it pacers Digest u should call it PERFECT DIGEST cause if u aint perfect u arent accepted

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    • #62
      Re: Dealing with Generation Text

      I am going to dip my toe in the water. I am a new member on the forum. I am sitting in my chair wondering what on Earth is going on here.

      Is this about a group of adults picking on a kid over the internet? As I read this and other threads about how Pacer4Ever is wasting our valuable time, I just have to ask myself, "Can't they see the irony of this point of view?". If you have time to bully a kid over the internet, your time just isn't that valuable.

      Or if not that, maybe this is about a group of adults being well intentioned and wanting to bestow some advice. This would be commendable, but if this is the case, these posts and threads hardly come across to me as being in the spirit of education. I think putting someone on the defensive is not the way to get your point across or to educate.

      Either way this seems mean spirited and inappropriate. There are plenty of other avenues to deal with Pacer4Ever if he bothers you. Use the ignore feature.


      To Pacer4Ever -- I'd like to say that your attitude about what I perceive to be attempts to shame or embarrass you in to writing in a more formal style is commendable. However, LA has made a pretty good point. That is to say that there is a good deal of value in the ability to communicate, especially in writing. Once you post something on the internet whether it is on forums, twitter, facebook, or other sites, whatever you post becomes a public record. People are able to make judgments about you based on your postings without ever having met you. I encourage you to bear that in mind when posting here and other places.


      Okay that is it from me. Please take my thoughts as friendly, they certainly aren't intended to be anything else. My post here is intended only to point out that most of us are adults, and we wouldn't be picking on this kid in person (I hope), we shouldn't be doing it here.

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      • #63
        Re: Dealing with Generation Text

        Originally posted by Los Angeles View Post
        Let's be clear about one thing - a lot of kids think that "any" is spelled "ne" or that the two spellings are interchangeable in any setting. I'm talking about the kids who are not paying attention in school (oblivious), or worse, believe that what is being taught in school doesn't matter (willfully ignorant).

        I occasionally have to put out ads to get part-time help in my studio. The gig doesn't pay much, so I get all sorts of folks from all walks of life applying. It would shock you - SHOCK YOU - how many young applicants can't form a coherent sentence. It's just plain embarrassing. Do they ever get hired? HELL NO. Not by me. No way.

        Fact is, even if a job doesn't involve any language skills whatsoever, language skills are needed to get the job in the first place. And once the job is acquired, language skills will certainly be necessary to rise up.

        One fascinating aspect to this situation is that a micro trend is forming: a larger number of children in the poorest neighborhoods - without means to own a cell phone or computer - are actually leap-frogging over the underperforming kids that have greater access to these devices.

        I think I remember this being the subject of a Radio Lab show, do you listen to that on NPR?

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        • #64
          Re: Dealing with Generation Text

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          • #65
            Re: Dealing with Generation Text

            I love me some Pulp Fiction

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            • #66
              Re: Dealing with Generation Text

              Originally posted by Los Angeles View Post

              In these situations, the assumption can go one of two ways: 1) this person is unable to write a simple sentence without terrible spelling or grammar mistakes regardless of the venue (aka - this person is likely uneducated) or 2) this person doesn't understand that this is neither the time or the place to write like he's texting his date to the junior prom (aka - this person is likely a fool).
              Well, yeah. Like I said earlier, making informed decisions about the rhetorical situation you're in is what's important, not automatically conforming to "Correct English." Awareness. If I send you a resume in textspeak, maybe I'm doing it as a joke, or maybe I'm trying to prove some kind of point. But if I actually want you to give me a job I'm going to write in the dialect that'll impress you.

              p4e is in Rome. But the Romans are not giving p4e a job. The Romans do not even know p4e's real name. The benefits of conforming to the linguistic expectations of PD's SWE-hawks is extremely low in this case. He should write as he pleases.

              And for what it's worth I think he's handled all this quite well. At his age I would've told you to F-off already.

              Originally posted by Ralph Waldo Emerson
              For non-conformity the world whips you with its displeasure.
              You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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              • #67
                Re: Dealing with Generation Text

                Every generation has their preferred vernacular from the 20ís Daddy O speak to the Valley Girls of the 80ís to todayís texting.

                They all think that it is their thing and itís kind of a way of sticking it to the man, so to speak.

                Pacer4ever is a young man and as time goes on his tastes will change and someone younger than him will be talking some strange language that he isnít familiar with and it will be odd and strange to him.

                But that is not today.

                He appears to be a nice person who is passionate about the Pacers and has taken some steps to change his style to meet the rest of the board. He wants to be taken seriously and as time goes on I believe he will adjust more to meet the masses but for now I just enjoy that he is a passionate Pacers fan and will encourage him to keep expressing himself and maybe we can all learn something from each other.

                Believe me when it comes to spelling and proper grammar I am about as dense as they come and Iím sure I drive many people up the wall with my common misspellings of common words (Anthem).


                Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                • #68
                  Re: Dealing with Generation Text

                  Originally posted by flox View Post
                  ya man if like there was a real problem u had wit the way he writes then y do dis in such a public forum if it aint meant 2 b sum kind of haterate or nothin. jus sayin.

                  if dis was such a big problem as u say it is then mayb sumone come in and jus stop it but no need to go out and disrespect so much.
                  What did the hater eat?

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                  • #69
                    Re: Dealing with Generation Text

                    Originally posted by SoupIsGood View Post
                    Well, yeah. Like I said earlier, making informed decisions about the rhetorical situation you're in is what's important, not automatically conforming to "Correct English." Awareness. If I send you a resume in textspeak, maybe I'm doing it as a joke, or maybe I'm trying to prove some kind of point. But if I actually want you to give me a job I'm going to write in the dialect that'll impress you.

                    p4e is in Rome. But the Romans are not giving p4e a job. The Romans do not even know p4e's real name. The benefits of conforming to the linguistic expectations of PD's SWE-hawks is extremely low in this case. He should write as he pleases.

                    And for what it's worth I think he's handled all this quite well. At his age I would've told you to F-off already.
                    i did once lol but that is my point im not at my job at my job i act pro. because i have to but PD is suppose to be fun
                    Last edited by pacer4ever; 10-07-2010, 09:56 PM.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Dealing with Generation Text

                      I didn't think I would actually post in this thread, but I will anyways.

                      I have no issue with P4E and his "textspeak". There is nothing wrong with typing that way over the internet.

                      What this boils down to is not picking on the guy. I'm not sure anyone here has anything personal against him. The so called "textspeak" is simply annoying and hard to decipher at times, but nothing more.

                      Should he type out his words? Probably. Does he have to? No. Do you have to read his posts? No.

                      My advice to P4E though, and you won't break my heart if you don't use this advice, is to actually take the time to type words out if you're on a computer. If you're on a blackberry, phone, ipod, or whatever then "textspeak" is fine. But for people to understand your opinions on the Pacers, if you truly want to engage in good discussions, just take the time to type the words.

                      Just my 2 cents. If you don't care for it, don't take it to heart.

                      Now, back to the Pacers
                      Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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                      • #71
                        Re: Dealing with Generation Text

                        Geez people...

                        I just finished reading this whole thread. I think it's pretty obvious that p4e is saying he posts this way on PD because he enjoys it, he knows the difference between what he's writing here and standard written English, and he uses SWE when it's called for (i.e. job, school). Can we agree on this at least?

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                        • #72
                          Re: Dealing with Generation Text

                          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                          i did once lol but that is my point im not at my job at my job i act pro. because i have to but PD is suppose to be fun
                          This. If you could just start typing like THIS, that'd be a great start.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Dealing with Generation Text

                            Them people that talk funny on the internet is fans too.

                            Signed,
                            Larry Bird
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                            ------

                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • #74
                              Re: Dealing with Generation Text

                              Originally posted by Pacers#1Fan View Post
                              That being said, I was looking over some job applications that came into my store and was amazed at how many people under the age of 20 think that shorthand and text language are acceptable in everyday life. I am not the one that does the hiring in my store because I am a full-time student first and foremost, but I am regularly asked to give input on applicants. If anything is taken from this post let it be this: if you write your resume and/or fill out an application in shorthand or text language the employer WILL laugh at you, think you are an idiot, and throw your application away. I would assume the same goes for college and graduate school applications would be reviewed in similar ways.

                              I do a lot of the hiring for my job and I do laugh at them and file them in the do not bother to interview pile. If they cannot be bothered to properly fill out a job application, they cannot be bothered to properly do what they are hired to do.


                              If you don't like the way someone posts IGNORE them. If you're not sure how just PM Hicks. I ignored someone just a week or so ago for the first time in my five plus years as a member of this board and had to ask Hicks to figure out how. It's simple and saves quiet a bit of headache if you can't stand the way someone posts.

                              For those that don't know how, I will summarize:
                              Go to User CP
                              Under Settings and Options, select Edit Ignore List
                              Find the Add Member to Your Ingore List box and type in the first few letters of the posters name. The field will auto populate with a list of names that correspond with the letters you've typed.
                              Double click the user name you wish to ignore and select OK.
                              Done.

                              ...
                              http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                              "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                              • #75
                                Re: Dealing with Generation Text

                                Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                                Cuz the story is told by Huck Finn.


                                "Cuz"?




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                                And I won't be here to see the day
                                It all dries up and blows away
                                I'd hang around just to see
                                But they never had much use for me
                                In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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