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A double standard when it comes to athletes and domestic violence

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  • #16
    Re: A double standard when it comes to athletes and domestic violence

    [QUOTE=Kstat;1053525]Pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter.

    I think that is a difficult statistic to properly agree with

    It doesn't take into account those , who were proven not guilty, but there were no charges filed for false accusations

    and also for those who were convicted, but didn't do it
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    • #17
      Re: A double standard when it comes to athletes and domestic violence

      Originally posted by Kstat View Post
      threads in this forum dedicated to violence against women
      ...

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      • #18
        Re: A double standard when it comes to athletes and domestic violence

        I don't get it the reason for the quote.

        It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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        • #19
          Re: A double standard when it comes to athletes and domestic violence

          Now this athlete thing. UGH. So many athletes get away with it. And it's disgusting, and probably shows our values as a society.
          and do you have the same passion and resentment for those men wrongfully convicted?

          also to say its worse on the womans side is a prejudicial statement.

          Think of men that have been murdered by women, or had their children taken away for no reason, or have been victims of false accusations

          Im sorry but there are just as many women abusing men (physically and psychologically)

          I do understand your point of sometimes it is a big man who with one punch could literally kill the women

          The bottom line is no one whether man or woman has the right to abuse the other, and both are equally disgusting

          The difference is from a physical standpoint the majority of men can take care of themselves
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          • #20
            Re: A double standard when it comes to athletes and domestic violence

            Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
            and do you have the same passion and resentment for those men wrongfully convicted?
            The one out of 50 that are? Absolutely. It only makes it worse for the next woman, because she's even less likely to be believed than before.


            also to say its worse on the womans side is a prejudicial statement.
            Correct.

            ...and that's assuming by "prejudicial," you meant to say "factual.'


            Think of men that have been murdered by women, or had their children taken away for no reason, or have been victims of false accusations
            I think of that 2 out of 100 every time I see the reverse happen in practice.


            Im sorry but there are just as many women abusing men (physically and psychologically)
            When I think back of all the times I've heard of men being raped by women...
            Last edited by Kstat; 08-19-2010, 06:46 PM.

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            • #21
              Re: A double standard when it comes to athletes and domestic violence

              Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
              Im sorry but there are just as many women abusing men (physically and psychologically)
              That would be ... no.

              It really does begin to sound like you have some personal issues and are generalizing a specific personal experience into a gender attribute.

              While I suspect the numbers aren't exactly right due to underreporting, I don't believe for a minute it is 50-50 or even 70-30.

              If nothing else the physiological difference in the hormone response leads you to the logical conclusion that men are more likely to become violent.

              And as far as emotional abuse, you'd have to define what level makes it criminal as opposed to inept relationship handling before I'd even start to want to think about the levels being even.
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              • #22
                Re: A double standard when it comes to athletes and domestic violence

                Originally posted by BillS View Post
                That would be ... no.

                It really does begin to sound like you have some personal issues and are generalizing a specific personal experience into a gender attribute.
                The sad thing is, there are so many men in this world that think just like him. It isn't even necessarily all on them, either. As a society, we encourage it.

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                • #23
                  Re: A double standard when it comes to athletes and domestic violence

                  Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                  and do you have the same passion and resentment for those men wrongfully convicted?

                  also to say its worse on the womans side is a prejudicial statement.

                  Think of men that have been murdered by women, or had their children taken away for no reason, or have been victims of false accusations

                  Im sorry but there are just as many women abusing men (physically and psychologically)

                  I do understand your point of sometimes it is a big man who with one punch could literally kill the women

                  The bottom line is no one whether man or woman has the right to abuse the other, and both are equally disgusting

                  The difference is from a physical standpoint the majority of men can take care of themselves
                  No. Not even close. And I have personally seen men being abused. But it's not even remotely close. Probably upwards of 90% of spousal or partner abuse cases are done from men to women, and that's including the cases that aren't reported. (Because remember, there are probably more cases of women not reporting being abused)

                  Of course, I hate the false acusations. It took so long for the courts to believe a woman in these situations, one false accusation and it puts a huge dent in the strides women have made. Not to mention how incredibly damaging it is to the man. (Although, admittiedly I do have more sympathy for those people who have been abused, than those that have been accused of abusing)

                  And finally, I should have said that when a person uses violence for control it tends to do much greater emotional damage then when a person gets violent because of an emotional reaction. (that's not my opinion, that's the opinion of sociologists that study it)

                  It just so happens men tend to be the type to control and women tend to impose the emotional reaction type of abuse.

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                  • #24
                    Re: A double standard when it comes to athletes and domestic violence

                    To tack on to the previous post...


                    So many women who are being abused don't even realize it. They've been so domesticated by society, that they believe it's perfectly normal for a man to lose his temper and slap her around. Some are so mentally damaged that they even fault themselves. Even when loved ones beg them to press charges, most don't.

                    This attitude among women of the victim blaming herself is not even uncommon. It's so far-fetched from a man's point of view, but it happens constantly.

                    For someone to say that women are just as commonly abusive and as damaging in the home as men...you have no ****ing idea what you're talking about.
                    Last edited by Kstat; 08-19-2010, 07:04 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: A double standard when it comes to athletes and domestic violence

                      Originally posted by BillS View Post
                      That would be ... no.

                      It really does begin to sound like you have some personal issues and are generalizing a specific personal experience into a gender attribute.

                      While I suspect the numbers aren't exactly right due to underreporting, I don't believe for a minute it is 50-50 or even 70-30.

                      If nothing else the physiological difference in the hormone response leads you to the logical conclusion that men are more likely to become violent.

                      And as far as emotional abuse, you'd have to define what level makes it criminal as opposed to inept relationship handling before I'd even start to want to think about the levels being even.
                      you made some very compelling points sir

                      thanks
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                      • #26
                        Re: A double standard when it comes to athletes and domestic violence

                        Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                        To tack on to the previous post...


                        So many women who are being abused don't even realize it. They've been so domesticated by society, that they believe it's perfectly normal for a man to lose his temper and slap her around. Some are so mentally damaged that they even fault themselves. Even when loved ones beg them to press charges, most don't.

                        This attitude among women of the victim blaming herself is not even uncommon. It's so far-fetched from a man's point of view, but it happens constantly.

                        For someone to say that women are just as commonly abusive and as damaging in the home as men...you have no ****ing idea what you're talking about.


                        kstat

                        in all honesty I hate men that use the intimidation of violence to control women, and so much goes unreported

                        I do man for real, I think of anyone touching my mom and I would literally want to take an iron and blood gen them to death.

                        I will never forgive mike vick for his act. It killed me when he said "I know now its wrong"

                        ok so were f'n idiots, you didnt know it was wrongwhen you were holding the poor dog under water till it died

                        I think anyone convicted of fighting pit bulls, they should take the people who had the dogs, put them in a cage and make the fight until one person is close to death

                        I hate abuse, I do

                        I also think that mental abuse, which is very hard to define, can even be worse at times

                        The worst thing is it is going on at the very second I am typing this, all over the world

                        Maybe we could spin this into a positive, I am willing to start a drive here and we could all give 5 bucks to a charity that helps abused women
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                        • #27
                          Re: A double standard when it comes to athletes and domestic violence

                          Damn, can this thread be moved to an off topic board or something?

                          I come on this board to read about basketball and the Pacers...

                          You know, for amusement and as a mental break.

                          But all I can find over the past few days are these deeply moral discussions that question the fabric of society.

                          I come here for hot dogs and beers in plastic cups, not chateaubriand!

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                          • #28
                            Re: A double standard when it comes to athletes and domestic violence

                            In all honesty we should just lock up this thread but I'm just going to move it off of the Pacers board.

                            Please keep this civil.


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                            • #29
                              Re: A double standard when it comes to athletes and domestic violence

                              Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                              I do man for real, I think of anyone touching my mom and I would literally want to take an iron and blood gen them to death.

                              lol that's a new one .. I bet a few posters are squirming about right now..

                              I think you meant to say bludgeon.. heh but its all good, i needed a chuckle..



                              In my opinion , there is alot more physical abuse by men on women .. than there are women physically abusing men.. that is a GIVEN.. at the very least statistically..

                              Women on the other hand usually tend to not resort to physical violence , instead they tend to psychologically, mentally and verbally abuse ..

                              Of COURSE physical abuse is something that should NOT be tolerated in our society PERIOD! .. and I have a hatred for those who do beat up on someone else and abuse them physically .. I cannot stand a man hitting a woman.. there is no excuse for it unless it was in self defense .. and even then there is a difference between shoving , or hitting a woman trying to physically harm or maim/kill you with an object such as a knife , gun or frying pan ..

                              Let's face it abuse is abuse, no matter how you slice it ..

                              I honestly hate seeing this discussion taking place on a Pacer's forum.. IMO it should be kept within the pertinant threads dealing with Lance untill he is either found guilty , or not guilty ..
                              since this whole subject is stemming from the alleged incident ...

                              Because it seems to me , that there are some forum members here , that this issue hits "close to home" , and it goes from one end of the spectrum to the other .. and there is no changing their feelings on the issue at hand , even without all the facts and the judicial process having taken place yet ..

                              .
                              That is NOT to blame these posters for their extreme feelings , but I really hate seeing it divide people on here, and cause tension/loathing between forum members...

                              This just isn't the place for that IMO. ..


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                              I will say , contrary to popular belief .. in my own experiences , there really are some psycho women out there... Heck for the longest time , it seems that is all I seemed to attract ..

                              I've seen it all ... from men abusing women verbally , to physically ...
                              I've seen women lying, being very controlling , using their children to hurt their spouse ..

                              It goes BOTH ways .. I REALLY hate seeing this turn into a men/woman bashing thing on here , as I feel it is beneath each and every one of us ...

                              I LOVE WOMEN!!!



                              I've seen a friend of mine go through it personally..
                              The guy was a good dude , would NEVER, EVER lay a hand on a woman.. His psycho wife ..up and decided she was gonna take him to the cleaners, and try and mess up his life after he found her cheating on him with some guy she was meeting online off and on ..

                              She come home late (5am) after leaving him home with their 2yr old child all night .. Needless to say , they got into it , and to avoid further escalation , he got all he could stuff in a bag and called me to see if I could pick him up ..
                              I came and picked him up (since they only had 1 car and he wasn't gonna leave the mother of his child without a access to a car )

                              And of course his wife was outside yelling like a lunatic , even yelling at me for picking him up ..

                              So he came to my house literally in tears .. Sometime that next day , she apparantly beat the crap out of herself .. and called the cops.. saying he beat her up.

                              Guess who got arrested?

                              That's right my friend did ..


                              He is damn lucky he had me as a witness and as an alibi , because if not he would have been falsely convicted ..

                              Still ended up costing him alot of money , I mean alot to get out of it..
                              And not a DAMN thing ever happened to his wife out of the situation ..

                              Luckily they are divorced , and he has primary custody of the child .. So at least this story has a happy ending.. But at a great cost , both monetarily and mentally ..



                              All I am saying , is that lunatics, abusers and psycho's come in all shapes, sizes , colors, and genders .. and that NONE of it should be tolerated ...




                              As far as the Lance situation ,I am not gonna get all worked up and make assumptions nor judge him, untill he goes to trial , and however things play out... play out .....
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