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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • The "other" sports leagues

    I thought it would be interesting to have a thread about some of the less mainstream sports leagues here that members may like. Everyone likes basketball and football, but what other sports do you watch?

    Does anyone have an affinity for the MLS? I love it. The games are cheap, it is fun to watch, and my local team (DC United) have a history of being very competitive. I watch a lot of international soccer as well which is very exciting. World Cup qualifying is going on right now and the next US game is against El Salvador on March 28th. The US beat Mexico very recently.

    I also really like the MLB, which at least in every market I have ever lived in is much less popular the college sports, NBA, or NFL. I actually like baseball better than football, which believe it or not is my least favorite sport to watch. MLB was never very popular in Indiana I guess because we don't have a team. Is there anyone on this board who really likes an MLB team or is otherwise a big Indianapolis Indians fan? I know it is weird to consider the MLB a less popular sport but the league polls terribly in the under 35 demographic and is only the most popular sport in a few niche cities like New York and Boston.

    I have never gotten into the NHL although the Washington Capitols are very popular here. I cannot name any players they have other than Sergie Federov and Alex Oveztkin (or however you spell it). I don't think I have ever watched more than 5 minutes of an NHL game. I have friends in Indiana however who are really into it.

    I also love Atlantic 10 basketball, which is a D1 college conference but rooting for an A10 team is kind of like being a Clippers fan.

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    Re: The "other" sports leagues

    I'm a huge NHL and MLB fan, yet oddly enough the Pacers are my favorite sports franchise. I love the MLS as well. I go to about 17 (average) Indianapolis Indians games a year. You might actually like my sports blog (link in the sig.) we talk about all of the aforementioned leagues. I honestly am so burnt out on football I just don't care about it anymore.

    It's funny, Indy actually is a great baseball city. Everyone I talk to seems to love it and of course...basketball.

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      Re: The "other" sports leagues

      Women's Roller Derby!





      And I am totally not serious. For me, two sports teams is enough.
      And I won't be here to see the day
      It all dries up and blows away
      I'd hang around just to see
      But they never had much use for me
      In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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        Coming from upstate NY I used to be a big hockey fan - it was one of the main winter activities. I'll still watch a game occasionally but living here I'm so removed from it that I don't recognize most of the players so I guess that fandom's mostly gone.
        The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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          Re: The "other" sports leagues

          Indanapolis Indians, Cincinnati Reds, and auto racing.

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            Surfing is quickly overtaking basketball in my world.

            Basketball will forever be my first love, but surfing is my love affair.
            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

            “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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              Re: The "other" sports leagues

              Originally posted by Los Angeles View Post
              Surfing is quickly overtaking basketball in my world.

              Basketball will forever be my first love, but surfing is my love affair.
              I have never lived on the West Coast or spent enough time there to have a chance to do it.

              My longtime college room mate is from Newport Beach and one time or another he is going to take me out there to try it.

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                What's not to like?

                “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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                  I've always enjoyed professional hockey. My issue here in Indianapolis is that we don't have a pro team anymore. Before someone tells me that the Ice is still in town, I'm aware of that, but the Ice isn't pro-hockey, they're a team in a "Tier-1" Juniors hockey league (amateurs 16-20 years old). Lately, I've gotten back to following the NHL, but the hard thing is having a rooting interest for anyone. Part of me wants to latch on with Columbus since they are the closest team and they are the new kid on the block, but there isn't enough exposure to them locally to follow the team.

                  I've been getting into motor sports. I've kind of loosely followed IndyCar for about 15 years, but with the attn. of the ladies in open wheel and a close friend of mine introducing me to NASCAR, I'm finding myself getting more interested. To tell you the truth, I was more entertained watching the Daytona 500 then the All-Star game on Sunday. I've been to a few races, but going to the Bristol night race last year was definitely the cherry on the Sunday. I know IMS has it's history, but for watching a race... Bristol just totally blew me away.

                  As for the MLS, I went to a couple Columbus Crew games their first season when they played at the Horseshoe at Ohio State. I actually enjoyed the games and going, but since I didn't live in the area, it was hard for me to follow along. Anyway, watching it on TV just didn't do it for me, even though I did watch Columbus win their title this year.

                  Never really got into baseball. The only MLB game that I've been to was at Yankee Stadium back when they were bad and had Don Mattingly in the 80's. Since, I've gone to a few minor league games here and in Fort Wayne, but usually find myself doing more people watching then paying attn. to the game.

                  Sorry for going on and on like its my life story, but boredom will do that.
                  ...Still "flying casual"
                  @roaminggnome74

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                    Re: The "other" sports leagues

                    Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
                    I've always enjoyed professional hockey. My issue here in Indianapolis is that we don't have a pro team anymore. Before someone tells me that the Ice is still in town, I'm aware of that, but the Ice isn't pro-hockey, they're a team in a "Tier-1" Juniors hockey league (amateurs 16-20 years old). Lately, I've gotten back to following the NHL, but the hard thing is having a rooting interest for anyone. Part of me wants to latch on with Columbus since they are the closest team and they are the new kid on the block, but there isn't enough exposure to them locally to follow the team.

                    I've been getting into motor sports. I've kind of loosely followed IndyCar for about 15 years, but with the attn. of the ladies in open wheel and a close friend of mine introducing me to NASCAR, I'm finding myself getting more interested. To tell you the truth, I was more entertained watching the Daytona 500 then the All-Star game on Sunday. I've been to a few races, but going to the Bristol night race last year was definitely the cherry on the Sunday. I know IMS has it's history, but for watching a race... Bristol just totally blew me away.

                    As for the MLS, I went to a couple Columbus Crew games their first season when they played at the Horseshoe at Ohio State. I actually enjoyed the games and going, but since I didn't live in the area, it was hard for me to follow along. Anyway, watching it on TV just didn't do it for me, even though I did watch Columbus win their title this year.

                    Never really got into baseball. The only MLB game that I've been to was at Yankee Stadium back when they were bad and had Don Mattingly in the 80's. Since, I've gone to a few minor league games here and in Fort Wayne, but usually find myself doing more people watching then paying attn. to the game.

                    Sorry for going on and on like its my life story, but boredom will do that.
                    Actually, I read the whole thing, it wasn't that boring!

                    I have never been able to get into motorsports which is strange, since a passion for racing runs very strong in my family. My great grandfather worked in the pits in NASCAR back when it was still kind of a renegade, regional sport and not at all commercialized. My Dad is an avid racing fan and two of my cousins drive in a relatively competitive local circuit in Southern Indiana. One of them had NASCAR potential but never really found the right person to promote him so it didn't work out. I have been to the Indy 500 multiple times and want to go this year, but I like that for the pageantry and the event itself more than for the actual race. I did kind of like F1 when they had the race in Indy, I believe I went to every one of them, I thought the global appeal was cool even though the circuit was kind of snobby. Next year one of my best friends and I are going to Italy to see an F1 race there, should be interesting.

                    Oh, and Pete, I really do like your blog. See my PM.

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                      Re: The "other" sports leagues

                      Originally posted by dcpacersfan View Post
                      Actually, I read the whole thing, it wasn't that boring!

                      I have never been able to get into motorsports which is strange, since a passion for racing runs very strong in my family. My great grandfather worked in the pits in NASCAR back when it was still kind of a renegade, regional sport and not at all commercialized. My Dad is an avid racing fan and two of my cousins drive in a relatively competitive local circuit in Southern Indiana. One of them had NASCAR potential but never really found the right person to promote him so it didn't work out. I have been to the Indy 500 multiple times and want to go this year, but I like that for the pageantry and the event itself more than for the actual race. I did kind of like F1 when they had the race in Indy, I believe I went to every one of them, I thought the global appeal was cool even though the circuit was kind of snobby. Next year one of my best friends and I are going to Italy to see an F1 race there, should be interesting.

                      Oh, and Pete, I really do like your blog. See my PM.
                      The whole thing with racing for me started as having to go with my former fiance to the US 500. Remember that? It was the race that started the split between the IRL and CART that ran on the same day as the Indy 500. I really didn't care to go, but a ticket was purchased for me, so I was obligated.

                      Before going, I always sided that racing was strait up boring, but actually going in person kind of changed my thought on it. It was more of an experience, being up in the stands and being able to "feel" the vibration in my chest when the cars went by. Smelling the methanol in the air, and just being an eye-witness to that kind of speed kind of got me into it.

                      I use to have a pretty negative opinion of NASCAR in general, but going to my first NASCAR race changed that too. Going to the races opened the door of interest for me. I even went to two of the F-1 races that were held here, but I felt totally out of place. Well, considering the demographic that participates and spectates motor sports... I probably should feel out of place, but rarely I ever did until I went to an F-1 race. The shirts were a little too stuffy for my taste!
                      ...Still "flying casual"
                      @roaminggnome74

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                        Re: The "other" sports leagues

                        Even though I'm partial to open wheel racing NASCAR has the ultimate blueprint on how to promote a sport. They have the "up close and personal" shows, promotions, etc that let you get to know the drivers. When they run the in-race crawlers there is hardly a first name of a driver that I don't know. I'm really surprised hasn't taken a page from that book. NASCAR has been brilliant in promoting its product.

                        I love the Colts and the NFL and the Indians always provide a entertaining and reasonable package. I'm a freak for the NCAA's March Madness.

                        One of the few remaining must do's for me is to go to the 24-hours of LeMans then onto Rome to see the Coliseum.
                        The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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