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  • #16
    Re: The Cooking and Libations Thread

    Don't worry, soup, we've got you covered.

    Before I get to my guacamole recipe, let's start with three essential know-how-to-use-a-knife tutorials.
    1) How to chop an onion:
    http://startcooking.com/blog/64/How-...nd-Chop-Onions
    2) How to chop a pepper (ANY pepper, not just bell peppers):
    http://recipes.howstuffworks.com/how...egetables4.htm
    3) How to cut an avocado:
    http://www.elise.com/recipes/archive...an_avocado.php


    The World's Greatest Guacamole

    1 bag - blue corn chips
    4 just-ripe avocados
    1 handfull of mini heirloom tomatoes, chopped.
    1/2 medium white onion, chopped
    1 fresh, large jalapeno pepper, chopped (only include the seeds if you like it REALLY spicy, otherwise remove the seeds before chopping the outer portion)
    1/2 cup fresh cilantro (MUST be fresh), chopped
    Rock sea salt to taste
    Fresh ground black pepper to taste
    1 tablespoon Chipotle flavored tobasco sauce.
    And this is the absolute KEY ingredient: fresh squezzed citrus (about the juice of one orange or so) - NOT lime or store bought lemon.

    OK, that last one is variable, but essential to turning this from decent guacamole to AMAZING. Probably the best thing to use is tree-ripened fresh-picked lemon, which has an orange-like sweetness and very little of the bitterness you taste with the hard "picked green" lemons you buy at the supermarket. There are several trees in my neighborhood, so that's not that hard for me to get. If you're at the store, however, you need to work with what's in the produce section. I recommend tangerines, tangelos, a fancy orange like valencia oranges, or cumquats. Yes, that's a funny name until you taste one and are instantly transported to paradise.

    Steps:

    1) chop the tomatoes, onion, jalapeno, and fresh cilantro and throw together into a large bowl.
    2) thinly slice/chop the avocado in the skin and scoop the chunks into the bowl - DO NOT mush the avocado into a paste the way they do elsewhere, keep it sized at about 1/4" chunks.
    3) add the salt, black pepper, chipotle sauce
    4) cut your chosen citrus in half and squeeze the juice out directly into the bowl (look out for seeds)
    5) Stir well without bruising it too badly.
    6) Eat!
    Last edited by Los Angeles; 08-12-2008, 12:05 AM.
    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

    “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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    • #17
      Re: The Cooking and Libations Thread

      Anyone got any simple and quick vegetarian recipes? I'm looking to cut down on meat consumption and I don't how, other than four nights of pasta...

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      • #18
        Re: The Cooking and Libations Thread

        Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
        Anyone got any simple and quick vegetarian recipes? I'm looking to cut down on meat consumption and I don't how, other than four nights of pasta...
        My ex is vegetarian and I would cook for her all the time.

        I'll hook you up with some ideas over the next few days.

        But for starters, stop eating the pasta or you're going to put on wieght faster than Sally Struthers after All in the Family.

        At the very least, replace most of the pasta with french fry cut zucchini and squash. Just rub a little olive oil on them and toast them lightly in the broiler. Use the same sauce and cheese that you would use with pasta and you won't miss a beat. Same meal, better nutrition, fewer empty calories.
        “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

        “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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        • #19
          Re: The Cooking and Libations Thread

          Don't worry about my weight, it's never been a problem. Wrestled all four years of high school, never missed a weigh-in. Still only about 150, but that's with a lot of exercise - hell, I could use a couple pounds. I look forward to the good stuff you got in the next couple days though, thanks. (I'm not really eating pasta four days a week, it's just that I don't know what else to make yet)

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          • #20
            Re: The Cooking and Libations Thread

            First of all, buy this book:

            http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Coo...78/ref=ed_oe_h

            It's food like your grandma would make if she were getting paid to make food, and it's all vegetarian. Almost everything I make for thanksgiving comes from there. and at $30, it's a bargain!
            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

            “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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            • #21
              Re: The Cooking and Libations Thread

              I am no chef due to laziness, but cooking has always intrigued me. I downloaded a bunch of recipes but I have yet to make any. Mostly due to the not wanting to spend a lot of money on all the ingredients.

              My go to meal is Mac and Cheese with Hot dogs or a Peanut Butter and honey sandwich.

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              • #22
                Re: The Cooking and Libations Thread

                Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
                Anyone got any simple and quick vegetarian recipes? I'm looking to cut down on meat consumption and I don't how, other than four nights of pasta...
                Hard to go wrong with a rattatouille. I have no recipe, I just throw in what I feel like throwing in. To serve one person I'd say something like this:

                4 tomatoes, chopped with the stems removed
                1 medium squash, halved and sliced, ends and stems removed
                1 medium zuchini, halved and sliced, ends and stems removed
                1 small eggplant

                combine in a pot with desired quantities of dried oregano, basil, tyme, (basically italian seasoning if you have that around), some minced garlic, freshly ground pepper.

                Cover, simmer, and stir occasionally until the tomato cooks down and cooks the veggies in the tomato juice. Usually takes 25-30 minutes. You'll have to experiment with your own mix of spices. When it's done, top it with some parmesan cheese and enjoy.

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                • #23
                  Re: The Cooking and Libations Thread

                  If I had extra money one of the first things I would do is to hire a full time chef to cook healthy and very tasty meals for me. That is what I think it the most difficult thing is to find good tasting healthy meals. (Or LA if you wanted to move back to Indy, I could just hire you)

                  Sure I can do a turkey sandwish on whole wheat with a salad/vegatable/fruit thing as well as anyone but that gets boring

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                  • #24
                    Re: The Cooking and Libations Thread

                    Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
                    Anyone got any simple and quick vegetarian recipes? I'm looking to cut down on meat consumption and I don't how, other than four nights of pasta...
                    My Vegetarian Gal-Friend simply, for the most part, replaced chicken and beef with Portabello Mushrooms.

                    Fajitas? Use Portabellos...
                    Pasta add-ins? Portabellos...
                    Pizza Toppings? yup...

                    Granted she loves them so much she could just eat one as a "Steak" if I cook it on the grill with a little butter, garlic, salt and pepper but I digress... Fungus is not for everyone.

                    Grilled Veggies are nice all around... Yellow Squash, Zuchinni, Eggplant, Asparagus, Onions, and Peppers.

                    For the most part, I'd avoid most "Meat Substitutes" like Boca Bugers, Chikken, and the like. Although... there ARE a few good ones when used sparingly. (they are too expensive and they are not that good)

                    Black Bean Burgers, homemade or storebought, are a nice twist and sometimes even I get an urge for them. Tofu is nice in small amounts (Think hot and sour soup). I'm sure that you will hear alot about replacing your protein/stick to your ribs factor... for that most use beans, nuts, potatos, and mushrooms. When I eat Veggie I usually eat Pasta, Fajitas (Any and All mexican food really) , Pizza, and other types of unhealthy food so I dont' get the benefit. I mean they make Veggie Baked Beans, I can make my own Stuffing/Dressing, Mashed Potatos, rolls, Deviled Eggs (Depending on your Level of Veggie). I can eat like its like Easter every day! BUT...

                    To be fair I could never give up the sweet, sweet taste of Bacon, Ham, Sausage, or BBQ. I wont even pretend.

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                    • #25
                      Re: The Cooking and Libations Thread

                      I forgot one of the most important parts of my ratatouille meal from above. You're supposed to serve it over a bed of cooked rice, but that's optional and it tastes great either way.

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                      • #26
                        Re: The Cooking and Libations Thread

                        Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
                        Anyone got any simple and quick vegetarian recipes? I'm looking to cut down on meat consumption and I don't how, other than four nights of pasta...
                        Real quick? Do you have a rice cooker? Get one. Wash the rice about four good rinses before cooking. Sift the rice in the cooker bowl with your fingers as faucet water pours over it. Dump the water slowly. When it finally runs off kind of clear, instead of milky, you're good. Otherwise you end up with a large lump of starch. The water should cover the rice about a half inch to an inch. To be more accurate, get the rice spread evenly in the cooker bowl. Put your hand flat on top of the rice. The water should come to your knuckle line. Cook. With rice cooker on hand, you have a steady supply.....so:

                        Bed of rice. Can of red beans or kidney beans, or black beans heated, on top of the rice. Just dump it on (with juice). Chopped onions on top. Bread and butter. We're not talking haute cuisine here. Just good and good fuel.

                        Fried rice. Can of oriental veggies....comes in various mixes. Throw in frying pan....add sesame oil. Not too much; it's potent. And expensive, for that matter. Buy the big can. Get the vegetables fried a bit. Pour in some soy sauce. Add rice. Stir. Taste. More oil or sauce or rice as needed. I like to crack an egg or two in, stir once or twice, not more, and cover, let it steam a bit...low heat 'til the eggs are cooked. Leftover veggies from the fridge can go in, too...corn, green beans.

                        Refried bean tostadas are easy to make. Does that even need explaining? If you've seen one at Taco Bell, you pretty much know instinctively how to make one. Crispy flat tortilla. Heated refried spread on top. (Low to med heat for the refrieds; stir often. The ones out of a can, eh?) Cheddar or not. Lettuce. Onion or not. Diced tomatoes. Sour cream. Nummy. The same mix in a microwaved flour tortilla makes a quick burrito.

                        Emeril has nothing to fear from me. But all 3 above are tasty/filling/quick.


                        [~]) ... Cheers! Go Pacers!

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                        • #27
                          Re: The Cooking and Libations Thread

                          Heat skillet with margarine or butter. Slice potato and leave the skin on. Put it in the skillet. Add seasoning salt and pepper. Brown, but don't overcook. Add onions if you want.

                          Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

                          That's what I just had.

                          -Bball
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                          ------

                          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                          -John Wooden

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                          • #28
                            Re: The Cooking and Libations Thread

                            Originally posted by kester99 View Post
                            Refried bean tostadas are easy to make. Does that even need explaining? If you've seen one at Taco Bell, you pretty much know instinctively how to make one. Crispy flat tortilla. Heated refried spread on top. (Low to med heat for the refrieds; stir often. The ones out of a can, eh?) Cheddar or not. Lettuce. Onion or not. Diced tomatoes. Sour cream. Nummy. The same mix in a microwaved flour tortilla makes a quick burrito.

                            Emeril has nothing to fear from me. But all 3 above are tasty/filling/quick.
                            Very nice K9... I would also recommend using cabbage drizzled with fresh lemon juice and going with sliced and halved tomatoes. A little sour cream and a little diced green onion is a must. When it comes to flavor Cabbage with a SMALL touch of Lemon trumps Lettuce everytime. IMO.

                            And Since were on Mexican Food... I'll add Fried Tacos to the mix.

                            I don't really know what they are called elsewhere but my family has been making them for as long as I can remember. Unhealthy as all getout but wonderful. They work best when you make your own Tortillas and you can fill them while uncooked.. (but any kind with do) Take said tortilla, fill with either Refried beans, Creamy Smashed Potatos, OR a nice mexican chihuahua cheese and seal the edges leaving a pouch of flavorful goodness near the center. Think wonton or ravioli here. NOT taquito!

                            Fry said Pouch and garnish with above citrus cabbage, tomato slices, green onion sticks, and sour cream. A wonderful, wonderful, wonderful unhealthy vegetarian dish.

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                            • #29
                              Re: The Cooking and Libations Thread

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              If I had extra money one of the first things I would do is to hire a full time chef to cook healthy and very tasty meals for me. That is what I think it the most difficult thing is to find good tasting healthy meals. (Or LA if you wanted to move back to Indy, I could just hire you)

                              Sure I can do a turkey sandwish on whole wheat with a salad/vegatable/fruit thing as well as anyone but that gets boring
                              You better get working ... I'm expensive.
                              “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                              “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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                              • #30
                                Re: The Cooking and Libations Thread

                                Originally posted by Bball View Post
                                Heat skillet with margarine or butter. Slice potato and leave the skin on. Put it in the skillet. Add seasoning salt and pepper. Brown, but don't overcook. Add onions if you want.

                                Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

                                That's what I just had.

                                -Bball

                                Does this work with Potatoes with large sprouts on them? I found some potatoes in the bottom of our pantry that I had forgotten were in there the other day. Rather large sprouts....lol

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