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Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

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  • Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

    I would like to start this thread just so we can stop using those spoiler tags when discussing in the movies thread!

    I have now watched the movie in snippets several more times, and plan to watch it in it's entirety later tonight so I will be glad to discuss further as I have time!

    To start it off, I would like to stress that I think this movie is excellent, and the best adaptation thus far of Richard Matheson's 1954 novel of the same title. The first film adaptation was in 1964. That movie was titled The Last Man On Earth and starred Vincent Price as Dr. Robert Morgan (rather than Neville). I watched the majority of it and had a hard time really enjoying it. To be honest, I have a hard time enjoying most movies made that long ago. The quality of film making has risen dramatically over the last couple of decades and only continues to rise.

    The second adaptation was 1971's The Omega Man, starring Charlton Heston as Dr. Robert Neville. I recently watched this movie as well, and it was much better than The Last Man On Earth, but was still kind of lame. Most of my problem with it is that it was made in 1971 and lacks most of the quality that I'm now spoiled with. By 1971 standards, it was probably a pretty good movie. I like Charlton Heston quite a bit, so it was at least entertaining....

    The current adaptation is titled the same as the original book, so that kinda blows my idea about the whole Bob Marley connection and why the film was titled as it is.

    That is all for now, but I would love to discuss this movie as much as possible, so somebody please post some ideas! I hesitate to write that I would rather it not turn into a discussion about whether it is a good film or not, because I know there are some users who didn't care for it. I'm not gonna suggest that someone refrain from posting what they thought about it, just know that I would rather this be a thread where people who actually LIKED the movie can discuss the movie without having to defend the quality of the movie or try to convince someone whether it was actually good or not. Let's face it, nobody is gonna convince me it isn't, so I don't expect to convince someone who didn't like it that they should!

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    Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

    I'm not sure which movie was more thought provoking Transformers or I am Legend.

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      Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

      I liked Transformers quite a bit too, and it is hard to compare the two. Transformers was more of a work of fiction in my mind. I feel like I Am Legend was based a little bit more in the realm of something that could happen, albeit with a good bit of fantasy mixed in, considering the effects of the virus on certain humans.



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        Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

        I was kidding. They are both bad.

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          Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

          Originally posted by LouisvilleLip View Post
          I was kidding. They are both bad.
          Thanks for posting though............................................ ....................

          Should I start an official "I thought I Am Legend sucked" thread for you?



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            Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

            Aight

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              Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

              Originally posted by LouisvilleLip View Post
              I'm not sure which movie was more thought provoking Transformers or I am Legend.
              Is that a real question? or are you being sarcastic? (EDIT: Didn't see your second post, before I posted)

              I thought Transformers was completely stupid and was not thought provoking what so ever. Not saying it wasn't entertaining.

              Sorry if I already broke the rules of this thread, heywoode.

              I Am Legend was excellent, but I was hoping it would be even better. I thought it was to short, it could have easily been over 2 hours. I would have liked to see more of Dr. Neville & Sam exploring the city, more of how they lived and the things they did everyday. More interaction between Neville, Anna and Ethan.
              Last edited by Hoop; 12-22-2007, 12:44 AM.
              "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG"

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                Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                For a Canadian, Lip has pretty distinguished movie tastes actually.

                Although he's giving "I Am Legend" the same treatment as he did for "American Gangster." They were both decent movies but overly hyped.

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                  Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                  One thing that i just wanted to say on the whole grenade note, was that even if he would've used the whole throw the grenade threw the glass routine, its possible that the glass just wouldn't have protected him.

                  Also, he may not wanted to risk the time of the grenade thrown and the time getting in the chute/passageway thing. Ya know, the cure was in there and he wanted to protect it.

                  Just a thought.

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                    Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                    Originally posted by Hoop View Post
                    Is that a real question? or are you being sarcastic? (EDIT: Didn't see your second post, before I posted)

                    I thought Transformers was completely stupid and was not thought provoking what so ever. Not saying it wasn't entertaining.

                    Sorry if I already broke the rules of this thread, heywoode.

                    I Am Legend was excellent, but I was hoping it would be even better. I thought it was to short, it could have easily been over 2 hours. I would have liked to see more of Dr. Neville & Sam exploring the city, more of how they lived and the things they did everyday. More interaction between Neville, Anna and Ethan.
                    No rules, buddy....just common sense....not trying to control anyone's opinions, it's just tedious when people still have to be red about stuff sometimes...even after I asked nicely in the opening post.

                    For the record, I didn't really think Transformers was stupid, given the context with which I knew the movie was going to be in...It wasn't really thought provoking at all, like you said, but at least it was entertaining...like you said.

                    I absolutely wish IAL was much longer. Given how much adaptation/deviation from the original movie there already was, I don't really understand why they only chose to come up with 100 minutes of movie.

                    I would have loved to have seen less of a gap than three years at the start, and much more explanation of how he developed his habits, how he amassed all the stuff he had, how he set up his perimeter defenses, etc....there are just a ton of ways they could have expounded on things while leaving the story line intact...


                    Originally posted by ajbry View Post
                    For a Canadian, Lip has pretty distinguished movie tastes actually.

                    Although he's giving "I Am Legend" the same treatment as he did for "American Gangster." They were both decent movies but overly hyped.
                    I guess I don't watch enough TV...I didn't see that many ads for either one...Haven't seen AG yet, but I love Denzel's skills and I got a dvdscr screener of that too, so it will be consumed pretty soon...


                    Originally posted by James Bond View Post
                    One thing that i just wanted to say on the whole grenade note, was that even if he would've used the whole throw the grenade threw the glass routine, its possible that the glass just wouldn't have protected him.

                    Also, he may not wanted to risk the time of the grenade thrown and the time getting in the chute/passageway thing. Ya know, the cure was in there and he wanted to protect it.

                    Just a thought.

                    I think you are probably correct in assuming that he didn't want to risk destroying the cure to save his own life. He knew Anna and Ethan were safe and he knew that he probably couldn't get partly in the coal chute (or whatever it was) and still make the grenade shot through the hole in the glass that I agree was there....he knew he had to keep them (and the cure) safe and take out as many as he could by making sure the grenade went off when and where he wanted it to.
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                      Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                      OK, there's a big debate over at imdb.com about whether it was Neville's own trap that snared him or the Alpha Male's trap...it seems split, with maybe a slight edge going to people who thought it was Neville's trap. I still think it was the Alpha Male's plan considering he had seen Neville's trap catch his woman, and had time after it got dark that night to check it out.

                      It was suggested that Neville moved Fred and used him as bait in another trap, but I don't think a mannequin would've worked as bait long enough to snare anything. He had to use blood in the one that we saw him spring....

                      EDIT: Just found this over at imdb.com....looks like the trap was set by the infecteds....http://imdb.com/title/tt0480249/board/nest/92613924

                      Also, just having watched the movie again, right before he blew the grenade, as the Alpha Male was bashing into the glass, it jumped right out at me...The cracks in the glass formed a butterfly shape, and right after that is when he heard his daughter's voice, and then looked back and saw Anna's tattoo of a butterfly. It was the shape of a butterfly in the glass that set that plan in motion, I have no doubt.
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                        Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                        I just saw it and loved it. I was a big fan of the book so I had certain expectations going into it. I liked the book better, but I thought that the film had a better ending (yes, I thought the ending was pretty good.) The reason I liked the book better was because it focused more on his everyday survival and rountines. It was cool to read about things like him burning down both houses next to him so the vampires couldn't jump rooftops to get into his home (the perimeter was laced with lights and garlic). And how he would spend alot of his day murduring sleeping vampires and doing his testing. I won't talk too much about the ending of the book for those who haven't read it and are interested, but it's alot different from the movie and could've been better if more detail was given about it. About a quarter of the way into the movie I had to just seperate it from the book into two entirely different stories, otherwise I probably wouldn't have enjoyed it as much.

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                          Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                          On the "grenade through the hole" thing, maybe I'm missing something but to me it seemed that the plexiglass was so damaged that it wasn't a problem for Neville to bust right through it and join the Darkseekers on the other side.

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                            Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                            Originally posted by Irk Woodsman View Post
                            On the "grenade through the hole" thing, maybe I'm missing something but to me it seemed that the plexiglass was so damaged that it wasn't a problem for Neville to bust right through it and join the Darkseekers on the other side.
                            I agree - it looked to me as if he just took the grenade and went for a touchdown style jump across the plexiglass and blew the whole room up...

                            what I didn't get is now that they had found the cure...how are they going to save 'em?

                            those creatures in the room with Will Smith didn't look like they wanted to be cured....

                            considering the numbers of the creatures vs. the immune...they seem rather outnumbered...

                            would they have to go on a hunting spree and just shoot 'em all up with the anti-virus?

                            I dunno the ending of this movie bugged me a lot...only because the first hour and 20 minutes of the movie was not bad - i was just expecting a bigger bang than a bomb on hand and some "sign" of butterfly...
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                              Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                              Originally posted by heywoode View Post

                              It was suggested that Neville moved Fred and used him as bait in another trap, but I don't think a mannequin would've worked as bait long enough to snare anything. He had to use blood in the one that we saw him spring....
                              But he did use a mannequin at the end of the dock...
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