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  • Next year's Indianapolis Colts

    Well let me start off by saying I am very depressed about this season.I actaully think I am more pissed than sad.Just the fact that we didn't play "Colts football" and we got our asses stomped again.Yes, the New England Patriots are the Colts Daddys.Well this year brought hope but in the end the same exact thing happened our season was ended by the Pats.

    What kind of changes do you guys want to see take place in the offseason?I think we will get some defensive guys maybe make the D a bit larger.And I have heard that we will draft all D in the draft which yes I think we should.

    Freeagents
    Well we have Edge who has been rumored to be tagged.And then I think we have some OLinemen and we have Vandy.I really kind of hope Vandy can stay because they aren't that many good kickers in the NFL.Look at the Jets'
    Coaching
    I don't think we need to fire anyone.I just think that they should have came up with a way better gameplan.


    I couldn't find a complete list of all the freeagents.But I do know we still have some key FA we need to re-sign.
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    Re: Next year's Indianapolis Colts

    I'd let the Edge go myself. This is probably sacrilege but 1,000-yard running backs are a dime-a-dozen any more. Generally RB's don't have a huge shelf life either, Curtis Martin & Dillon to the contrary. I'd use the money you save there on linebacking. The D-Line isn't bad but the 'backers, other than Morris, need work.

    I'd also make a decision between Marcus Pollard and Dallas Clark. As receivers they're redundant though Pollard's better on deep balls. Figure which one you want to go with.

    Part of my gripe with the Edge is I've never seen a guy NOT fight for yards like he doesn't. Yesterday he seemed awful willing to hug the ground whenever there was much contact. I think it was a screen pass where he gained about 20 but went out of bounds pretty much without being touched. Guranteed if he'd driven his shoulder into the D-back he could have gotten another 4-5 yards and that was the only guy within 10 yards - a cutback and he might get another 15.
    The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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    • #3
      Re: Next year's Indianapolis Colts

      Well I do agree that we need D.But I am sure that we will keep Edge and I am fine with that.Just please get some D.We have to be at least B+ on each side of the ball to win a Super Bowl.I like our run D but I hate the pass D it is pathetic.I think Edge is a good power runner when he goes straight up the middle and you think he is down he kind of slides and picks up another 2-3 more yards.God I hate talking about the offseason.I wish Peyton could have saved a few of his TD passes from the regular season for the postseason clearly he didn't need all of them I need NBA League Pass now DAMN INSIGHT.
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        Re: Next year's Indianapolis Colts

        Originally posted by DisplacedKnick
        I'd use the money you save there on linebacking. The D-Line isn't bad but the 'backers, other than Morris, need work.

        I'd also make a decision between Marcus Pollard and Dallas Clark. As receivers they're redundant though Pollard's better on deep balls. Figure which one you want to go with.

        .
        Other tha Morris? He is the worst linebacker we have IMO. Thornton is solid, and June decent in pass coverage, can tackle, and is fast. Morris sucks in pass coverage, cant tackle, and isnt real athletic. Pollard is gone, that is an easy one.

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          Re: Next year's Indianapolis Colts

          I hope we dont re-sign James, but re-sign Rhodes, then draft a guy like Eric Shelton out of Louisville in the 2nd round. Have Shelton and Rhodes split the carries next year. We are more of a pssing team anyways, and Im not real impressed with James as of late. We can use the money on defense. With the 1st rounder draft Justin Miller(CB) out of Clemson. And with the 3rd round pick use it on Robert McCune a MLB out of Louisville.

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          • #6
            Re: Next year's Indianapolis Colts

            The Colts defense would improve dramatically if they could sign or draft playmakers at the nose tackle or middle linebacker positions. The defense needs someone near the line of scrimmage who can go blow up the other team consistently. As of now, the Colts' front seven are average while the secondary is mediocre. An above average front seven could really help out that poor secondary. I don't think Bob Sanders should be near the lead in tackles every week, but with this defense he becomes a tackling machine.

            I actually think Edge is a great running back. He's an above average runner, can catch passes out of the backfield, and is a great blocker. However, if the team could save money while not giving up performance at the RB position, I'd be willing to let him walk.

            The team is not terribly far from being a Super Bowl team; however, they must continue to improve those areas in need.
            Take me out to the black, tell 'em I ain't coming back. Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.

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              Re: Next year's Indianapolis Colts

              I still think that Edge has yards left in him. Rhodes is not the back that Edge is. We have seen that in several games. With that said, Great Blue North, my favorite draft site says we will draft a RB.

              29 Indianapolis *DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis
              60 Indianapolis Antonio Perkins CB Oklahoma

              I would like to see some changes. A Wide body for nose tackle, Sanders in preseason, a "Julius Peppers" type player. And a new Defensive coordinator. Meeks had to dummy down our defense because of all of our injuries. Maybe he took it too far.

              I think we will lose Pollard. I i'm okay with that. We have Clark, Hertsock and Utuecht (sp) who will be healthy(?). I really hope we can keep Reggie Wayne.

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              • #8
                Re: Next year's Indianapolis Colts

                I'm not sure the coaching staff is truly sold on this approach we are following. I know I'm not sold on it. By that I mean so overbalancing the offense to the defense.

                Dungy may not be the best coach for this type of system. That said, I'm not sure this type of system is really geared for playoff success. But, if you are going to go down this path you need a coach who is willing to get behind it and go with it. That means going for it on 4th down in some situations where you might rather play a field position game. That means a more wide open attack when you'd rather play a grind it out football game and not risk TO's to a team that makes you pay for them.

                While I can understand not wanting to risk field position and grinding things out, what does it matter if the other team can march down the field anyway?

                It's almost what Jeff Fischer was saying about playing the Colts when he tried to get gimmicky because he knew he couldn't stop the Colts. The Colts know they can't stop the other team consistently so the coaching should be willing to take some risks on offense because your odds are higher than putting your fate into the hands of your defense. And if your gamble fails then you are probably no worse that where you'd been anyway except you haven't allowed the other team to chew up clock and wear out your defense getting there.

                That said, I'd address the defense but if I'm going to continue down this path with this system then I would have to rethink my coaching staff.

                -Bball
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                  Re: Next year's Indianapolis Colts

                  I'm trying to decide if I'd rather lie and tell you you've got a great system or tell you the truth and say that you've got a great coach but your GM, with the style of team he's assembled, is setting him up for failure every year in the playoffs.

                  You do need a different RB - one that's more bruising and less elusive. I've always thought James was the perfect 'third-down back' but he's not physical enough, in my opinion, to be the 'featured back.'

                  Obnox hit the nail on the head - you need a NG like Casey Hampton (and, no, you can't have HIM), a guy that requires triple teams every time your opponent runs the ball, freeing up your linebackers to do thier jobs - make plays behind the line of scrimmage. I'd be willing to sacrifice some sacks from your DL for that (you'd end up with more sack, long-term, those sack would just be spread among your LBs instead).

                  I'm not giving any more of Dick LeBeau's secrets away here, you'll just have to watch Sunday.
                  Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                  Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                  Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                  Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                  And life itself, rushing over me
                  Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                  Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                    Re: Next year's Indianapolis Colts

                    But seriously, look at each of the two AFC defenses that advances last weekend. Each team only allowed three points to offenses that are capable of putting up much, much more. (The Steelers offense gave up a TD on a return and thier special teams gave up a TD on a return, making the score much closer than it *should* have been, based solely on the way the Steelers dominated the line of scrimmage.
                    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                    And life itself, rushing over me
                    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                      Re: Next year's Indianapolis Colts

                      Jay,
                      You don't have to convince me. The Colts' system is simply not going to win the biggest of games IMHO. That means we'll always have to go thru somebody else's place to get to the SB because we'll get a couple of costly reg season losses and lose homefield.

                      And our team can't compete with the likes of the Pats on their own turf and the odds only get slightly better on our own turf.

                      And IMHO the Pats system is so good that it isn't like we are waiting for a Pat retirement or players jumping ship for $$$ elsewhere. The system will still work.

                      The Colts must change their approach and build a team to beat the Patriots and their ilk (that type system) or we're destined to see this same scenario unfold over and over. And beat them on a snowy, blustery winter day.... Beat them on a day where our offense isn't clicking...

                      I let my optimisim get ahead of me heading into the playoffs but I've been saying for the past few years we cannot continue fielding these patchwork defenses and expect it to be enough. I should've just listened to myself to begin with.

                      -Bball
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                      -John Wooden

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                      • #12
                        Re: Next year's Indianapolis Colts

                        Somehow, I started out trying to make the point that James is the one guy on offense you should replace, and by the time I was done editing it, I guess I was 'preaching to the chior'. Ooops.
                        Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                        And life itself, rushing over me
                        Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                        Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                          Re: Next year's Indianapolis Colts

                          Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                          Somehow, I started out trying to make the point that James is the one guy on offense you should replace, and by the time I was done editing it, I guess I was 'preaching to the chior'. Ooops.
                          If we did let him go which I would hope we would trade him rather than letting him walk.For who?Someone earlier in the season said trade him to Miami for Zach Thomas or someone on their D.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Next year's Indianapolis Colts

                            Originally posted by btowncolt
                            Franchise him. Trade him to the Dolphins for a 2nd and 5th rounders. I think there's sort of a precedent for that...............
                            That sounds good to me.

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                              Re: Next year's Indianapolis Colts

                              Well here are most of the Colts free agents.

                              Colts



                              Gary Brackett LB RFA

                              Joseph Jefferson CB RFA

                              Donald Strickland CB RFA

                              Idrees Bashir FS UFA

                              Cory Bird SS UFA

                              Raheem Brock DE UFA

                              Rick DeMulling OG UFA

                              Ryan Diem OT UFA

                              Nick Harper CB UFA



                              Edgerrin James RB UFA

                              Rob Morris LB UFA

                              James Mungro RB UFA

                              Jim Nelson LB UFA

                              Tupe Peko OG UFA

                              Dominic Rhodes RB UFA

                              David Thornton LB UFA

                              Troy Walters WR UFA
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