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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • #61
    Re: 2013 offseason

    We keep the conditional 6th rounder that would have gone to Miami as part of the Davis trade. He didn't play enough snaps.

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    • #62
      Re: 2013 offseason

      Personally, I think Brazill showed enough this year in limited duty to at least still be in play for a possible solid 3rd or 4th WR.

      Avery started out hot, then faded as the season progressed. If the FO decides the best options that present themselves are not in the WR area, I could live with Avery a little longer as a stop gap, but certainly isn't a long-term fixture.
      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

      -Emiliano Zapata

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      • #63
        Re: 2013 offseason

        Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
        We keep the conditional 6th rounder that would have gone to Miami as part of the Davis trade. He didn't play enough snaps.
        Yup, I think he had to play 65% of the snaps and he just missed it, but I am glad that we can keep the pick, it seems like the perfect position to take a chance on a player like Tyrann Mathieu or Ray Ray Armstrong, who both play positions of need for us.
        Why so SERIOUS

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        • #64
          Re: 2013 offseason

          I see QB & TE as the only positions/units on this football team that are basically set. With the cap space and draft picks available I seriously hope the Colts are not targeting specific players like Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings, Tracey Porter, Jake Long etc. etc.

          This team is not deep and some of its best players (Wayne, Mathis etc.) are aging. With the possible exception of O-Line help the Colts shouldn't reach in the draft or overpay in free agency for anybody. Other than keeping Luck upright value needs to take serious precedence over any positional need.

          I'd rather see the Colts improve "up the middle" but if the value is there at one of the skill positions this team is not so set that they could afford to pass on the right guy.

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          • #65
            Re: 2013 offseason

            Originally posted by Downtown Bang! View Post
            I see QB & TE as the only positions/units on this football team that are basically set. With the cap space and draft picks available I seriously hope the Colts are not targeting specific players like Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings, Tracey Porter, Jake Long etc. etc.

            This team is not deep and some of its best players (Wayne, Mathis etc.) are aging. With the possible exception of O-Line help the Colts shouldn't reach in the draft or overpay in free agency for anybody. Other than keeping Luck upright value needs to take serious precedence over any positional need.

            I'd rather see the Colts improve "up the middle" but if the value is there at one of the skill positions this team is not so set that they could afford to pass on the right guy.
            I agree that a lot of areas need to be targeted, but saying that the Colts should target player X does not mean they should overpay much for that player. But if you have player X that fits your scheme and adds a lot of value to what you are doing then you go ahead and overpay some, to me that is the case for Tracy Porter.

            Also depth will only get you so far, you have to have starters that are good to contend, FA should be a time where you have a good balance of getting guys you feel will start, guys who can push them, guys with potential but not results, and guys you know will just add depth, while at the same time put yourself in good position financially for the future.
            Why so SERIOUS

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            • #66
              Re: 2013 offseason

              I think it will help our receivers when Luck has more time to throw the ball and a better chance of putting the ball where the receivers like to catch it.
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

              -John Wooden

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              • #67
                Re: 2013 offseason

                I agree.... but they also just need to catch the friggin ball. A LOT of his passes were completely catchable, even as he was throwing it with 2 linebackers hanging on to his legs. There were so many easily-catchable drops in the playoff game by our TEs and Ballard and Avery... and they just weren't focused. They had already turned their head up field.
                There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                • #68
                  Re: 2013 offseason

                  Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                  I agree.... but they also just need to catch the friggin ball. A LOT of his passes were completely catchable, even as he was throwing it with 2 linebackers hanging on to his legs. There were so many easily-catchable drops in the playoff game by our TEs and Ballard and Avery... and they just weren't focused. They had already turned their head up field.
                  This is true, but he really did not do this well through much of the season, a lot of bad throws, but if he can play like he did against Baltimore the majority of times next year we should be golden no matter who is on the line.... although it would be better if he simply had time.
                  Why so SERIOUS

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                  • #69
                    Re: 2013 offseason

                    Originally posted by Really? View Post
                    I agree that a lot of areas need to be targeted, but saying that the Colts should target player X does not mean they should overpay much for that player. But if you have player X that fits your scheme and adds a lot of value to what you are doing then you go ahead and overpay some, to me that is the case for Tracy Porter.

                    Also depth will only get you so far, you have to have starters that are good to contend, FA should be a time where you have a good balance of getting guys you feel will start, guys who can push them, guys with potential but not results, and guys you know will just add depth, while at the same time put yourself in good position financially for the future.
                    Depth matters a lot when guys who should be special teams only contributors or practice squad fodder are starting games or on the field in key situations. See McGlynn, Sowell, Linkebach, Olsen, Mwelde Moore, Zibikowski, Lefeged, Jerry Hughes etc. etc. etc.

                    Injuries happen in the NFL and IMO the Colts won't win 8 games next year if they can't establish some reasonable depth with players who actually belong in the league let alone on the field. All of this seasons dead cap money was responsible for most of the issue but choosing well with how they spend those $$ in 2013 will determine how quickly (or not) the team can make the next step to Super Bowl relevant.

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                    • #70
                      Re: 2013 offseason

                      Originally posted by Downtown Bang! View Post
                      Depth matters a lot when guys who should be special teams only contributors or practice squad fodder are starting games or on the field in key situations. See McGlynn, Sowell, Linkebach, Olsen, Mwelde Moore, Zibikowski, Lefeged, Jerry Hughes etc. etc. etc.

                      Injuries happen in the NFL and IMO the Colts won't win 8 games next year if they can't establish some reasonable depth with players who actually belong in the league let alone on the field. All of this seasons dead cap money was responsible for most of the issue but choosing well with how they spend those $$ in 2013 will determine how quickly (or not) the team can make the next step to Super Bowl relevant.
                      That is cool and all, but typically starters play more than reserves through the season unless they just get beat out, and some of those guys were brought in for depth. The thing is when you have players that are there for depth they typically are not starter material, like the list that you put up there, they all have their issues and that is why we are able to afford them. If your backups were that good then they would not be backups and would be making a lot more.

                      All those guys are pretty much backups and had strong moments and week moments besides Zib(who was brought in to be a starter), and Moore who I hated that he was there, but in all honesty he is a decent 3rd down back, and was really 4th on the depth chart as far as 1st and 2nd down RB, but with Carter, and Brown hurt, and having to give Ballard a breather every now and then he had to get put in the game.
                      Why so SERIOUS

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                      • #71
                        Re: 2013 offseason

                        Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                        I agree.... but they also just need to catch the friggin ball. A LOT of his passes were completely catchable, even as he was throwing it with 2 linebackers hanging on to his legs. There were so many easily-catchable drops in the playoff game by our TEs and Ballard and Avery... and they just weren't focused. They had already turned their head up field.
                        Ballard had trouble catching the ball because he was so tired from running all game long
                        Smothered Chicken!

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                        • #72
                          Re: 2013 offseason

                          I remember one play, towards the end I think, when Ballard couldn't catch the ball. Tiredness had nothing to do with it.
                          Never forget

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                          • #73
                            Re: 2013 offseason

                            Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
                            Ballard had trouble catching the ball because he was so tired from running all game long
                            Yeah Ballard is not a consistent pass catcher, it is what it is, nothing to do with tiredness
                            Why so SERIOUS

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                            • #74
                              Re: 2013 offseason

                              Originally posted by Really? View Post
                              Yeah Ballard is not a consistent pass catcher, it is what it is, nothing to do with tiredness
                              Well neither was Donald Brown. Ballard rushes so much that he can't focus as much late in games to catch. Overall that was the worst game the Colts had offensively all year. Defensively, it was a solid game besides Anquan Boldin. 9 times out of 10 we put some touchdowns on the board and that would have been a way better game
                              Smothered Chicken!

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                              • #75
                                Re: 2013 offseason

                                Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
                                Well neither was Donald Brown. Ballard rushes so much that he can't focus as much late in games to catch. Overall that was the worst game the Colts had offensively all year. Defensively, it was a solid game besides Anquan Boldin. 9 times out of 10 we put some touchdowns on the board and that would have been a way better game
                                You are confused, that was actually one of the best overall games they had all year, the were more consistent in that game putting drives together throughout the game than any time this season. If it was not for the drops they would have won.

                                And do you mean neither is Donald Brown? I don't agree with the focus part, typically atleast with my experience even though you are tired late, when the game is on the line your adrenaline is pumping and you tend to focus better in key moments.

                                I will say that everyone is different and we are but just stating our opinions but the only way we would know would be to ask Ballard... anyone know if he has a twitter?
                                Why so SERIOUS

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