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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

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  • #31
    Re: The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

    Originally posted by RWB View Post
    Boy did you ever hit that one dead eye. For many years I always thought Marvin was just a strange duck and really introverted. I still believe he is introverted but I did have one experience with him that really swayed my opinion he's also an introverted asshat as you describe. I had a request to put on a simple presentation for a group of LEO's on what preperations/planning was involved in protection for a Colts training camp. You know, a little on logistics, crowd control, and player protection. Well like anything else if you get too long and too detailed people get bored quick so I loosened up on the Xs and Os and focused on stories instead.

    Naturally part of my slide presentation would feature some photos of players mingling with fans and or other famous people who would visit camp. Just so happened on this particular day John Madden was in camp with his Madden bus. At the time Madden was still the #1 NFL broadcaster and even folks who didn't follow football knew who Madden was. Madden was nice enough to let me take a few photos at the sideline and I did this without getting in his way or having him pose for anything. In fact he was just standing there.

    Now what do I see out of the corner of my eye as I snap a few shots is Marvin sitting in a golf cart (he was hurt and not practicing that day) watching me. He is shaking his head, has this sneer on his face, and makes what everyone knows as a 'look at that dumbass snort or sigh'. I'm not making this up, I am not mistaken, he was disgusted with me for taking a few picture of John Madden.

    I know for a fact he personally did not like to have his picture taken and really didn't like to sign even official NFL pictures except you have to at times. But once again I wasn't taking any of him and he was simply acting like a jerk. More important I saw good ole Marvin be a prick to a ball kid one time for no reason and there was no one else around.

    Great player, should be in the Colts Ring of Honor and the Football Hall of Fame....No need for Marvin to elicit any votes for general nice guy, because he wasn't from what I saw.

    Man, I could listen to your Colts training camp stories all day. Do you feel comfortable sharing any good ones about a certain QB who played here for 13 years?

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    • #32
      Re: The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

      Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
      Please do. You have my attention lol.
      Mine as well.

      EDIT: Oh it's below haha.


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      • #33
        Re: The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

        Marvin tossed me a ball when he saw us in the stands at the Chiefs playoff game at Arrowhead in 2004. So he wasn't an ******* 100% of the time.

        Still one of the best games I've ever been to.
        "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

        -Lance Stephenson

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        • #34
          Re: The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

          Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
          Man, I could listen to your Colts training camp stories all day. Do you feel comfortable sharing any good ones about a certain QB who played here for 13 years?
          Maybe some day.... still a little early and I like getting a paycheck. At different times I'll try to get some out there when I can avoid the landmines so to speak.
          You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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          • #35
            Re: The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
            Man, I could listen to your Colts training camp stories all day. Do you feel comfortable sharing any good ones about a certain QB who played here for 13 years?

            Yeah, they are great.

            Here's the thing that sets Marvin and Reggie apart. Everyone always blew Marvin so hard in the media cause he never acted like a prima donna wanting the ball. Well, Reggie doesn't do that either, but he also shows emotion to the crowd and gets them hyped up as he was doing before the Buffalo game in the end zone. Plus does anyone think Marvin would have busted out the orange gloves like Reggie did? I don't think so, Reggie isn't a prima donna who doesn't demand the ball, but he also shows emotion and seems like a real person. Marvin honestly has a lot of the ear marks of a passive aggressive psycho.


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            • #36
              Re: The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

              Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
              Marvin tossed me a ball when he saw us in the stands at the Chiefs playoff game at Arrowhead in 2004. So he wasn't an ******* 100% of the time.

              Still one of the best games I've ever been to.
              That game showcased just how bad the Colts D was. Colts offense put on a clinic and still couldn't pull away.


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              • #37
                Re: The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

                Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
                Marvin tossed me a ball when he saw us in the stands at the Chiefs playoff game at Arrowhead in 2004. So he wasn't an ******* 100% of the time.

                Still one of the best games I've ever been to.
                I am so glad to hear that. Saw Marvin driving around in a cart one time and toss out a ton of Tasty Cakes to the fans. Thought that was really cool. But like above I saw a Colts ball kid (not kid I guess, like high school age) approach Marvin (once again no one was round) as he was going into the locker room and simply asked for an autograph on a football. Marvin laughed at him and closed the door in his face. That's when I officially knew Marvin was a prick.
                Last edited by RWB; 11-29-2012, 04:43 PM.
                You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                • #38
                  Re: The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

                  I've heard enough stories about Marvin to know that he had a cold side, the guy was just...weird.


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                  • #39
                    Re: The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

                    Originally posted by RWB View Post
                    Maybe some day.... still a little early and I like getting a paycheck. At different times I'll try to get some out there when I can avoid the landmines so to speak.

                    I definitely understand. I appreciate everything you've told us so far. These are some great stories.

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                    • #40
                      Re: The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

                      I don't know. For me it's just individual fan incidents where Marvin basically had a cold shoulder at all times. The guy just didn't like personal contact of any kind IMO, and like I said he seems passive aggressive. Remember the story about hwo when he wanted the ball he would whisper in Peyton's ear "Feed me Peyton". Back then it was like oh so awesoome he's not distracting the team, but looking back it, it's kind of weird.


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                      • #41
                        Re: The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

                        Marvin definitely seemed like a bit of an odd duck. But boy that cat sure could play. I loved watching 88 tear it up. I don't think Manning would have been as great in the early stages of his career if he didn't have such an elite receiver to depend on. The amount of times he targeted Harrison in those first few years is proof of this, IMO. It's like Luck with Wayne now (too bad Wayne isn't 5 years younger right now). By the end of his tenure here, Manning was so great that he could make any scrub look good. But he definitely needed Marvin in the beginning.

                        I will say that Marvin seemed genuinely moved by the Ring of Honor ceremony last year. I remember going to the restroom after the ceremony where they always have the Lamey broadcast playing. He was interviewing Marvin and asked him about the HOF. Marvin said that he hadn't given the HOF much thought and that simply being remembered as a Colt for life was good enough for him. I loved hearing that.

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                        • #42
                          Re: The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

                          I've toyed with getting a Peyton Bronco jersey, but I just can't wear another team's colors. No matter who it is, even Peyton.

                          I enjoy watching Peyton and his comeback, but if we were to be matched up with him and lose, I would still feel the same as I do after any playoff loss. Although it will be different, because at least Peyton can keep on playing, so I'll use that to make my depression ease up.

                          Peyton can keep kicking *** as long as it isn't against us or hurt us.
                          Super Bowl XLI Champions
                          2000 Eastern Conference Champions




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                          • #43
                            Re: The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

                            Quick Peyton story that I was told and not involved, but learned through sharing information/training.

                            It was after the winning Super Bowl season and Peyton autograph seeking had reached an even higher pitch which is hard to believe. The team was in some hotel in North Carolina and fans find out where people stay and if they try hard enough they can get who they want.

                            Just so happens some middle aged woman was sitting in the lobby with her arm in a cast. Peyton was in the lobby too and she got up and approached him. She wasn't pushy but acted like what a surprise to see someone famous here yet somehow has a football in her hand. Apparently Peyton obliged especially since her arm was hurt. A few minutes later she was escorted out of the hotel since she didn't have a room or belong there..... Sounds cruel, but when you consider when she got Peyton's autograph she went back to the couch and proceeded to take the cast off. That's right boys and girls she used a fake cast to get a little sympathy and insure she got the autograph. Since I wasn't there I can't tell if she simply was a big fan and desperate to get it. But more than likely I guess folks have to make a living off of ebay which I've seen too many times. Kicked out more than my share of adults/kids who have duffel bags full of jerseys and helmets (and I mean mutiple same numbers) whose only purpose was not to collect as fans, but make a profit in business.
                            You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                            • #44
                              Re: The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

                              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                              That game showcased just how bad the Colts D was. Colts offense put on a clinic and still couldn't pull away.
                              Not a single punt. From either team. Crazy. We just happened to have the ball last.
                              "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                              -Lance Stephenson

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                              • #45
                                Re: The Wild Card Thread (W/L updated)

                                For some reason I couldn't update the first post.

                                Division Leaders W L T
                                Texans 11 1
                                Patriots 9 3
                                Ravens 9 3
                                Broncos 9 3

                                Wildcard W L T
                                Colts 8 4
                                Steelers 7 5

                                In The Hunt
                                Bengals 7 5
                                Dolphins 5 6

                                Still Alive
                                Jets 5 7
                                Bills 5 7
                                Dolphins 5 7

                                The others.... a waste of time or eliminated.
                                You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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