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Colts/Pats --- here we go again

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  • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

    Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
    Check Luck's road game stats.....

    Which have improved quite a bit lately. He looked much better on the road at Tennessee and Jacksonville than he did Chicago and New York. Of course, the Pats are obviously a lot better than Tennessee or Jacksonville. But I do think that the two recent road victories have been HUGE mentally for this young team.

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    • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

      Originally posted by RWB View Post
      What I want to see the most is how Luck will respond to his first national under the spotlight game. He did in college and now the big test with the nation watching in the NFL. Even our former HOF QB wilted a few times in this weekend's anticipated atmosphere. Of course personally I think he'll do fine, but we'll see how the TY Hilton's on our team react.

      I don't think this kind of atmosphere will be too big for him. I do think the Pats will get out to a good sized lead by halftime like they normally do, then the Colts will counter and the Pats will flounder in the 2nd half like they normally do against the Colts. It might take Luck a couple quarters to figure things out, but we'll get it going. I still think the Pats will win by 14+, but it will be entertaining.

      Of course, nothing would please me more than to see the Colts beat the crap out of the Pats and have Luck tackle Belicheat.
      Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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      • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

        Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
        You forget that you are dealing with the evil genius. He is going to take Reggie Wayne out of the game and make Luck beat him with his other receivers if he can. Stats don't mean much in these games. Check Luck's road game stats.....
        Belichick is a great coach, but it's not like he has some superior level of intelligence that is unattainable for anyone else. Mike McCarthy has a more recent championship than Belichick, and he sure couldn't find a way to stop Wayne. Wayne has basically torched anyone he's come into contract with.

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          Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
          Belichick is a great coach, but it's not like he has some superior level of intelligence that is unattainable for anyone else. Mike McCarthy has a more recent championship than Belichick, and he sure couldn't find a way to stop Wayne. Wayne has basically torched anyone he's come into contract with.
          We will see...... two men on Wayne and he will be shut down.... He is also going to take unbelievable hits when he does make a catch.... I don't like Belichick but I know he is a great coach and he does great preparation..... I think the Colts have a very long day in New England....

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            Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
            I don't think this kind of atmosphere will be too big for him. I do think the Pats will get out to a good sized lead by halftime like they normally do,
            On that same note a certain #18QB was down 31 - 7 to this Pats team just this season. So let's see if our rookie phenom and so far miracle team can better that.
            You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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            • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

              Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
              We will see...... two men on Wayne and he will be shut down.... He is also going to take unbelievable hits when he does make a catch.... I don't like Belichick but I know he is a great coach and he does great preparation..... I think the Colts have a very long day in New England....
              Of course you do. You've said this every week so far. You're 3-6. You also claimed RG3 and Cam Newton were better, and that you were done posting in this forum.

              Whoops.

              The Colts are on a 2-game road winning streak, btw.
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              • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

                Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                Of course you do. You've said this every week so far. You're 3-6.

                Actually isn't he like 2-7? I thought he picked us to win the Jacksonville game at home. We lost the one game he predicted us to win.

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                • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

                  This game could possibly decide home field advantage throughout the playoffs. Gotta take out these guys. It's our time to shine
                  Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                  • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

                    Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                    Stats don't mean much in these games. Check Luck's road game stats.....
                    Haha, stats don't mean much in these games...but look at Luck's stats??

                    Momentum doesn't mean much in these games, but the Colts have won 4 in a row, the Patriots only 3. Ipso facto, Colts win.

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                      Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                      Actually isn't he like 2-7? I thought he picked us to win the Jacksonville game at home. We lost the one game he predicted us to win.
                      Nope. I have picked against the Colts every game and I will again this week. I think New England will cover the big spread....

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                      • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

                        Originally posted by bunt View Post
                        Haha, stats don't mean much in these games...but look at Luck's stats??

                        Momentum doesn't mean much in these games, but the Colts have won 4 in a row, the Patriots only 3. Ipso facto, Colts win.
                        They aren't playing the Jags, Titans, Dolphins or such this week... Ispo silliness, Colts lose big...

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                          That's funny because 6 of the 8 panelists on CBS sports are taking the Colts with the point spread. 9 and 1/2 in case you wondered.
                          You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                          • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

                            Originally posted by RWB View Post
                            That's funny because 6 of the 8 panelists on CBS sports are taking the Colts with the point spread. 9 and 1/2 in case you wondered.
                            I didn't wonder. I have a spread that is a bit better than than that but I thing NE will cover that spread. I see something like 37-21 NE... I do think Luck will have a good day, just not good enough... I keep looking at those road stats for Luck. 2 TDs 7 Ints....

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                              Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                              There are things lining up in this game that really have me intrigued. One of the main reasons Indy has had success is their 3rd-down success rate. And NE is 31st in the league, defensively, in that category.

                              Luck is also going against their 29th-ranked pass defense.

                              Most the experts are predicting a NE win, even a blowout. I just don't know that's going to happen. I think it'll be closer than most think, and I actually think Indy has a chance to win this thing. They've had a week and a half to prepare, we're getting a few guys back... If our D can put pressure on Brady, which I think they can with Mathis and Freeney both back, and if we can control Ridley.... I really really like our chances.
                              I definitely think the Colts have a chance, but here are the stats that trouble me:

                              The Colts are 22nd in turning red zone trips into TD's, New England is 19th best in not allowing TD's in the red zone.
                              New England is 6th best in TD percentage in the red zone, and the Colts are 27th best at not allowing TD's in the red zone.

                              Then of course the turnover numbers where New England is best in the AFC at +16 while the Colts are tied for 2nd worst at -9.

                              Those are the main differences between the teams. The difference between yards gained and yards allowed is minimal. New England is +434, while the Colts are +331.

                              The good news is that turnovers and red zone trips can be highly variable from game to game. And of course in the Colts case, if Freeney and Mathis can both play that should help the Colts chances of improving upon their league worst takeaway number. If the Colts get a little luck and keep the turnover margin even or -1 along with converting a red zone opportunity or two, they could very well win the game. I do hope the Colts don't play conservatively at all though. Possessions count much more than field position in this game, and the Colts can't afford to do much punting on the NE side of the field or kicking field goals inside the 5 yard line.

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                              • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

                                Ya, I don't disagree that a lot of stats point to a NE win, I'm just saying there's a number of stats that point to a possible Colts upset. The Colts obviously have to prove consistent in the stats that I've pointed out. Being great at 3rd down conversions doesn't matter if in week 10 they don't convert many 3rd downs.

                                The great thing about this week is there is no real pressure on this Indy team. If we lose... well that's what most people thought would happen anyway. By all indications, NE *should* win this game. If Indy wins --- great. Everyone knows this team is still young, we have a lot of improvement to make, so a loss, while it would hurt our playoff chances this year a little bit, wouldn't be the end of the world.
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