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Colts/Pats --- here we go again

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  • #91
    Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

    Forgive us all if we take your predictions of the Colts impeding doom with a grain of salt.


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    • #92
      Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

      So this is the business plan:
      Get a new stadium, cut Manning in relatively short order, then bring in a low-priced JV squad to play football. Then sit back and rake in the dough.

      Except how much dough can you rake in with a losing team, no star potential, blackouts, and dwindling gate receipts?

      If Irsay was about short-term dough then keeping Manning until his game deteriorated so much the crowd turned on him (IOW milking his career and name value) seems like a better business plan.
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • #93
        Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

        Now back to our current awesome team. Here is a good Q and A The Star did with Grigson:


        http://blogs.indystar.com/philb/2012...medium=twitter

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        • #94
          Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

          Originally posted by Bball View Post
          So this is the business plan:
          Get a new stadium, cut Manning in relatively short order, then bring in a low-priced JV squad to play football. Then sit back and rake in the dough.

          Except how much dough can you rake in with a losing team, no star potential, blackouts, and dwindling gate receipts?

          If Irsay was about short-term dough then keeping Manning until his game deteriorated so much the crowd turned on him (IOW milking his career and name value) seems like a better business plan.
          You forget that Irsay pocketed millions by dumping Manning and signing Luck..... He also got to dump a lot of other high paid players (I won't argue that some of them needed to go but they would have had to stay if Peyton stayed) putting even more money in his pocket while he signed rookie and cheap free agent replacements. The dumping of Manning and tear down of this team was strictly financial and Irsay made a fortune doing it. He will do it again as soon as it is convenient and the die hard fans will stay and keep coming and being screwed.... Good teams, well managed team don't go through rebuilds like that. Just look at the Patriots... Since the evil genius has joined that team, they have had some down years but they were still winning. Only bad teams with poor managements have to start all over again every five or six years and spend years losing inbetween....

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          • #95
            Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

            Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
            Forgive us all if we take your predictions of the Colts impeding doom with a grain of salt.
            I don't blame you for that at all......

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            • #96
              Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

              Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
              Good teams, well managed team don't go through rebuilds like that. Just look at the Patriots... Since the evil genius has joined that team, they have had some down years but they were still winning. Only bad teams with poor managements have to start all over again every five or six years and spend years losing inbetween....

              Isn't that exactly what we're doing? We are 6-3 in just our second year without Manning starting and first year without him on the roster. Last year we sucked because we had the worst collection of starting QBs to ever take a snap.

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              • #97
                Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

                Can we just stop talking to him? There's no point in arguing.
                Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                • #98
                  Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

                  Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
                  Can we just stop talking to him? There's no point in arguing.
                  Yes, by all means, I mean I might say something you just don't want to hear.... Picture three monkeys here.....

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                  • #99
                    Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

                    Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                    You forget that Irsay pocketed millions by dumping Manning and signing Luck..... He also got to dump a lot of other high paid players (I won't argue that some of them needed to go but they would have had to stay if Peyton stayed) putting even more money in his pocket while he signed rookie and cheap free agent replacements. The dumping of Manning and tear down of this team was strictly financial and Irsay made a fortune doing it. He will do it again as soon as it is convenient and the die hard fans will stay and keep coming and being screwed.... Good teams, well managed team don't go through rebuilds like that. Just look at the Patriots... Since the evil genius has joined that team, they have had some down years but they were still winning. Only bad teams with poor managements have to start all over again every five or six years and spend years losing inbetween....
                    Doing what the Colts did doesn't put a ton of money into Irsay's pocket. That's a pretty common misconception. It helps him for cash flow purposes by allowing him to spend it next year instead of this year, but that's it. The Colts are 5 million away from the cap this year, which is smack dab in the middle of the league (around teams like the Patriots, Packers, and Bears). By doing what they did and getting rid of so many players, they opened up quite a bit of cap space next year. But they can't just pocket that money. The new labor agreement forces teams to spend a very large percentage of their cap every year, and that provision goes into effect next season. So if Irsay was trying to make money by doing this, he didn't read the fine print very carefully on the new labor agreement.

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                    • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

                      Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                      Yes, by all means, I mean I might say something you just don't want to hear.... Picture three monkeys here.....
                      You definitely have the bolded part correct.
                      There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                        Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                        You definitely have the bolded part correct.
                        I certainly might do that but it doesn't mean that I will not be correct in the end. We are talking three or four years here. Look at the Pacers. You were one of the group who thought they were going to win 60+ games and get to the ECF. I didn't believe that. I didn't think they improved enough during the season to even stay where they were. I predicted 48-34 and the fifth or sixth seed in the east unless they had a major injury and then they might have to scrap just to get the eighth seed..... The Colts are overperforming right now. That will end soon enough and reality will eventually set in.... They are too thin on talent and they have too many injuries to keep up the present pace in my opinion. A major injury might mean that they do not win any more games this year. I expect them to come out slowly next year as teams adapt to defensing what they do. It would seem to me that the start of this could be the meeting with the evil genius this week. I'm willing to bet that he won't let Reggie Wayne beat him. Someone else might but Reggie Wayne will be stopped or nearly stopped....

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                          Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                          That too will end.... If they have that kind of attendance then why do they call me every month begging me to repurchase my season tickets? They lost a lot of season ticket holders. Visiting teams and last minute purchasers have kept that number high. When this train falls of the tracks (and, yes, I believe that will happen in the next couple of years if not yet this year) and there will be blackouts.... Imagine what would happen if, say, Luck injured something that caused nerve damage and could no longer play. I hope that never happens but every player in the NFL can have it happen and Luck has taken way too much punishment and he will continue to take it this year and probably for several years to come..... This not a knock on Luck but on Irsay and management for not having a line to protect him. Peyton had that line and they were always good at pass protection if not the run..... Luck will certainly need "luck" to survive that. The NFL is littered with QB who did not.....
                          Well, the only pre-1997 precedent for anything like that is last year when Manning was hurt, and the fans still came. Yeah, many were ST holders locked into the seats, but I watched those games and TV and people were still physically showing up to the games. If people in Indianapolis were as uninterested in the games as I incorrectly predicted they would be, they would not have shown up regardless of whether they paid for a ticket (there are many more costs to attending a football game).

                          If Luck were to get hurt badly, I actually have all the faith in the world that the team would find a way to rebuild. The NFL is so much bigger than any one player and the Colts have proven that they have the ability to build pretty good teams. This isn't the NBA where losing Lebron puts you into basketball Siberia. The Colts could lose Luck but still be playoff caliber team in 3 years. Not that I want that to happen but in the NFL it is possible. Which is why the NBA will never rival the NFL.

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                            Originally posted by idioteque View Post
                            Well, the only pre-1997 precedent for anything like that is last year when Manning was hurt, and the fans still came. Yeah, many were ST holders locked into the seats, but I watched those games and TV and people were still physically showing up to the games. If people in Indianapolis were as uninterested in the games as I incorrectly predicted they would be, they would not have shown up regardless of whether they paid for a ticket (there are many more costs to attending a football game).

                            If Luck were to get hurt badly, I actually have all the faith in the world that the team would find a way to rebuild. The NFL is so much bigger than any one player and the Colts have proven that they have the ability to build pretty good teams. This isn't the NBA where losing Lebron puts you into basketball Siberia. The Colts could lose Luck but still be playoff caliber team in 3 years. Not that I want that to happen but in the NFL it is possible. Which is why the NBA will never rival the NFL.
                            They might actually be a better team if they give up on the quick fix and work on making a great offensive line and a defensive front. That is the way I like to see teams built. Then you can look for your all world QB.....

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                              Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                              You forget that Irsay pocketed millions by dumping Manning and signing Luck..... He also got to dump a lot of other high paid players (I won't argue that some of them needed to go but they would have had to stay if Peyton stayed) putting even more money in his pocket while he signed rookie and cheap free agent replacements. The dumping of Manning and tear down of this team was strictly financial and Irsay made a fortune doing it. He will do it again as soon as it is convenient and the die hard fans will stay and keep coming and being screwed.... Good teams, well managed team don't go through rebuilds like that. Just look at the Patriots... Since the evil genius has joined that team, they have had some down years but they were still winning. Only bad teams with poor managements have to start all over again every five or six years and spend years losing inbetween....
                              No he didn't he paid him over 14 million not to play for us. Add in Lucks salary and he has 20 million invested in the QB position. You are so wrong, so often, it's ridiculous.

                              And anyone who says Mannings INTs were as good as punts is missing the point. The whole team was built for him to put up points, and when Manning played that poorly, we lost probably 8-9 out of 10 games. My point was the SB win was a complete team effort.
                              "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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                                Here's hoping Donnie Avery has put in some extra time with Andrew this week. Patriots are not going to let Reggie Wayne beat them this week and they'll have something planned to take him out of the equation. Dink and dunk baby, dink and dunk with some run thrown in to help our defense stay off the field and keep Brady on the sidelines too.
                                You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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