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Colts/Pats --- here we go again

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  • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

    we all know the Colts lost because Vontae Davis wasn't there to pick off Brady the fourth time in four games
    Last edited by BlueCollarColts; 11-18-2012, 10:22 PM.

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    • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

      From a Patriots perspective, a loss would have been far preferable to a Gronkowski broken arm.
      The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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      • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

        Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
        From a Patriots perspective, a loss would have been far preferable to a Gronkowski broken arm.
        Damn is that what they are fearing? That would be a brutal blow to the Patriots, as well as my fantasy team.

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          Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
          Damn is that what they are fearing? That would be a brutal blow to the Patriots, as well as my fantasy team.
          http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ys-on-forearm/

          out 4-6 weeks, confirmed broken
          The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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            Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post

            Damn

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              Hate to sound like a dick, but it serves them right for keeping the starters in there that late in the game. **** you, New England.

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                Originally posted by cdash View Post
                Hate to sound like a dick, but it serves them right for keeping the starters in there that late in the game. **** you, New England.
                Totally agree. If you're going to be such a huge advocate of "the game is 60 minutes" then you have to deal with the injury risk that comes with it.


                I would have rather seen Brady get smashed though.

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                • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

                  To be fair, Gronkowski wasn't in at all on that final drive. He only came in because he's part of the extra point team and his arm was broken on a freak play there is my understanding.


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                    Our running game was great in the first half, but Arians went away from it for some reason
                    Smothered Chicken!

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                      Originally posted by LuckSwagger View Post
                      I hate that stupid team and their ******** fans.
                      Originally posted by LuckSwagger View Post
                      I would have rather seen Brady get smashed though.
                      Pot, meet kettle. Enjoy you opponent being hurt. It shows your class. I remember how Indianapolis Colts message boards exploded with glee over Brady's knee exploding, stickying threads with links to Bernard Pollard T-shirts. So if you want to see low life, scummy, totally turd fans, I suggest that you look very closely in your own mirror.

                      Gronkowski had already been removed for the game on offense. You really only have one extra point unit so he was going to be on it if the score was 7-7, 59-24, or 24-59. This is the NFL and you have a 42 man active game day roster besides the kicker, punter, and long snapper. You can't rest everybody. The sure-fire way to INCREASE the odds of people getting hurt is to run out guys who have not practiced with that special teams unit.

                      You can of course make the argument that starters should not be part of special teams units, but that is not the Belichick philosophy. Special teams is 1/3 of the game, and the wide receivers, tight ends, safeties, defensive backs, running backs and essentially all of the best athletes play on the special teams. Welker, Woodhead, Edelman, Gronkowski, Ridley, Vareen, and other key offensive players fill special teams roles every game.
                      Last edited by Slick Pinkham; 11-19-2012, 11:15 AM.
                      The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                      • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

                        Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                        Pot, meet kettle.
                        Not that I care either way, but why the hell are you running gadget plays up big?

                        Is a halfback dive not good enough to kill the clock?

                        If you score on that play (a HB or FB dive), fine. You should never "stop" playing. But why the need for "style" points? Is the NFL using a BCS system that I was unaware of?

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                          Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                          Pot, meet kettle. Enjoy you opponent being hurt. It shows your class. I remember how Indianapolis Colts message boards exploded with glee over Brady's knee exploding, stickying threads with links to Bernard Pollard T-shirts. So if you want to see low life scummy totally turd fans, I suggest that you look very closely in your own mirror.
                          What Colts message boards did that? I certainly have no memory of that and I have been looking at Colts message boards for at least six years. Sure there might have been your occasional idiot who expressed glee from the injury, but the reaction from the Colts fan base as a whole was very sympathetic towards Brady and the Pats. Here is the coltfreaks.com thread about the Brady injury from September 2008. That is probably the most popular Colts message board.

                          Sources: Brady out with ACL tear

                          http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8181

                          If you scroll through the pages, it's clear that the overwhelming majority of fans were sad to see the injury. Colts fans never wanted Brady hurt. Why would we want that? The rivalry was infinitely better when Brady and Manning were healthy. I wanted to beat a Patriots team with Brady on it. Notice how the 08 victory against the Pats was not brought up in the thread about most memorable Pats-Colts games. It was boring compared to the previous matchups because of the Brady injury.

                          From that thread I linked to:

                          I hope the speculation is wrong. Best wishes to Tom on a speedy recovery.

                          Indeed. It's horrible to see a great player go out like that. Best of luck to him.
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                          Agreed. I detest BB and "some" Pats fans, but I have no problem with Brady. I hope he's OK.

                          Wow hate to see it even to a team that I despise. Brady I have no problem with.. he has succeeded in perhaps the hardest market to make do so.

                          well if it had to happen, then it's best to happen early in the season so that he'll be ready for the start of next year. hopefully he has a speedy recovery.

                          This sucks... I have a great amount of disdain and good-natured sports hatred for the Pats, but to have the MVP go down in the first game is something I wouldnt wish on anyone....

                          Really hate to see any player get hurt, but especially someone that has been such a great player for years. I hope that Brady can come back next year without any problem.

                          I feel bad for Tom Brady as a player. You hate to see a guys career sidetracked or even ended like that.

                          A couple of Pats fans noticed how classy the Colts fans were being:

                          Wow, you guys over here are real classy! Thank you for all the kind words and support.

                          Hey ColtFreaks...

                          I just wanted to congratulate you all on staying classy. We've seen many fans on other team boards gloating over Brady's injury. It really made me feel good reading all your posts saying what happened to Tom is sad and all your best wishes comments.


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                          After reading through that thread again, it's clear that the overwhelming majority of Colts fans on the most popular Colts message board were extremely sympathetic about the Brady injury. The Colts fans were so classy about it that a couple of Pats fans stopped by the thread to thank them. This whole notion you have that Colts message boards were exploding with glee about the Brady injury is just false. Which ones did that? Where is the link to it? I went into the archives of the most popular message board and have shown that the fans did not behave that way. Most message boards have archives that go back for many many years, so the evidence should not be too hard to find.
                          Last edited by Sollozzo; 11-19-2012, 10:15 PM.

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                          • Re: Colts/Pats --- here we go again

                            What gadget play are you talking about, the Edelman end-around? At that point the score was 45-24 and there was 11 or 12 minutes left in the game. Is Luck capable of leading the Colts to three touchdowns in 11 minutes? Of course he is. Dan Orlovsky did it last year.

                            After that TD, what did the Patriots do? 1 dump-off pass to Vareen, 8 rushes by Vareen, 1 rush by Ridley, and 1 pass to Welker on 3rd-and-long. That's it.
                            The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                              Well it's not a Colts board per se, but I remember the IU/Peegs boards just reveling in Brady's injury. Several Colts fans had "the hit" as their avatar.

                              LuckSwagger saying "I would have rather seen Brady get smashed" certainly reminded me of that reaction.

                              To be honest though it was the Pittsburgh and NY Jets fans who actually made and sold versions of the Bernard Pollard T-shirts such as this one:

                              It was also the Jets boards that erupted with joy last night at the Gronkowski news.
                              The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                                Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                                Well it's not a Colts board per se, but I remember the IU/Peegs boards just reveling in Brady's injury. Several Colts fans had "the hit" as their avatar.

                                LuckSwagger saying "I would have rather seen Brady get smashed" certainly reminded me of that reaction.

                                To be honest though it was the Pittsburgh and NY Jets fans who actually made and sold versions of the Bernard Pollard T-shirts such as this one:

                                It was also the Jets boards that erupted with joy last night at the Gronkowski news.

                                OK, so a few idiots on an IU board changed their avatar, probably for attention. And they didn't go near as far as you say Pitt and Jets fans did. A peegs board doesn't reflect mainstream Colts fans, IMHO. Coltfreaks is the mainstream Colts board as that is the board that most NFL fans will visit if they want to talk to the Colts fans. And the reaction there was overwhelmingly classy. It was so classy that some Pats fans stopped by to thank the Colts fans.

                                It wouldn't make sense for Colts fans to celebrate the Brady injury because the Colts also had a HOF QB back then who they relied on. Manning is just as human as Brady, so why celebrate a Brady injury when it's just as likely that something could happen to Manning? It was always possible that Manning himself would have a bad injury someday, and we all know that's exactly what happened three years later.

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