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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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  • Re: Browns-Colts thread

    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    Why are you screaming?
    Huh?
    There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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    • Re: Browns-Colts thread

      Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
      You don't even know what psychotic means...... And what I said was true....

      Psychosis (psychotic)


      Psychosis is a loss of contact with reality that usually includes: False beliefs about what is taking place or who one is (delusions); Seeing or hearing things that aren't there.


      Sounds like I nailed it.
      "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG"

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      • Re: Browns-Colts thread

        Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
        Good start. That means Peyton had 22 TDs in his next ten games. Luck won't come close to that but he probably will have less picks....
        Good call; all of your other projections have been spot on so far, so predicting Luck won't come close is a surefire bet. In case you're wondering, yes, I'm being extremely sarcastic.
        There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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        • Re: Browns-Colts thread

          Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
          He is last place among rookies in efficiency. Is he last place in wins?

          Also, since you're telling me our wins are NOT because of a winning culture, what are they the cause of? You've ruled out quarterback play, and you've ruled out a veteran presence. I guess there's only 1 scenario left. The opposing defenses are spending approximately 50% of their time doing cartwheels and handstands while Luck consistenly misses undefended receivers.

          Also, as far as veterans I consider part of the old regime:
          Reggie Wayne, Antonio Johnson, Robert Mathis, Dwight Freeney, Antoine Bethea, Jerraud Powers, and to a lesser extent Pat Angerer (who I understand hasn't been playing)

          The offense got reworked, and the defense is next. But they still have the same mentality.
          I'll tell you what I think. I believe the Colts got the gifts of their lives from the Vikings and Green Bay. I think they should be 1-5 and that one win should have been against Jacksonville.... I think they are very fortunate having three wins with the worst rookie starting QB in the NFL and a QB that is rated 30th or 31st. I think it will all balance out and they will play with futility every week from here out. I think they gets their butts handed to them in Nashville this week. I think the Jags will beat them again in Jacksonville. I think Houton beats them senseless in two games UNLESS they have nothing to play for in the last gave and mail it in to rest players. I see them losing to Miami with Tannehill completely outclassing Luck. They will be walking wounded after the Patriots beat on them for an entire game. I think Buffalo's good running game will beat them in that matchup. Detroit's defense will hammer them in Detroit. They have a change against Kansas City unless Cassell gets well by then.

          So, I think they go from 0-10 to 1-9 or 2-8 for the rest of they way. Better than I thought they would do at the begining of the season. I think Luck will continue to be a very low ranked QB an his numbers will slide against those good defensive teams that are coming up. He could finish the season rated dead last in QB rating although I think he stays ahead of Cassell, the only QB behind him. All and all, a miserable season. If they had kept Manning and a few defensive players and taken the boat load of draft picks they would have gotten for Luck, we would have one of the four rookies rated ahead of Luck being developed and the team would be about 10-6. Not good enough to challenge the Texans but perhaps good enough for a wild card into the playoffs. The next year when all of those rookies matured a big and some free agents could be added, they move up a bit and perhaps give the Texans a run. The Texans are very good and they will be for the next five or six years. This is all just my opinion but not too far off the mark, I think.....

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          • Re: Browns-Colts thread

            I don't think anyone's fandom is going to be shaken despite wins or losses (referencing olblu so I don't have to quote him) I was a fan of the team when Jeff George was our QB...I think I'll somehow manage to stay a fan with Andrew Luck as our QB.

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            • Re: Browns-Colts thread

              Originally posted by TheDon View Post
              I don't think anyone's fandom is going to be shaken despite wins or losses (referencing olblu so I don't have to quote him) I was a fan of the team when Jeff George was our QB...I think I'll somehow manage to stay a fan with Andrew Luck as our QB.
              So am I but it started with Johnny U.... I can be a fan of the Colts and not be a fan of Andrew Luck or the owner......

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              • Re: Browns-Colts thread

                Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                So am I but it started with Johnny U.... I can be a fan of the Colts and not be a fan of Andrew Luck or the owner......
                That's something I can't understand. Especially the part about the owner. Players will come and go... some will be busts, some will be surprises, some will be exceptional, some will be inconsistent, and some will be especially consistent. But, the owner is there for the long haul and to have this much hate for the owner and his business practices with the team I think I'd have to move on and fairly quickly.

                No matter what happens on the field the owner is always going to be there. And if you hate him and his practices that much then it's always going to be sucking the life out of the game for you isn't it?

                ...But that's just me....

                EDIT: And I cannot understand how a fan of the Colts cannot be rooting for Luck. Luck hasn't done anything wrong in any of this. Regardless of his on field play or off field life he's the starting QB for the Colts for at least the near future. I don't know what games you are watching but Luck has more than lived up to expectations in these first 6 games as a whole. Yes, he's struggled on the road. And that is to be expected early. But he's also shown some heady play, an excellent sense of awareness, and solid leadership. You don't see any deer in the headlights looks from him out there. And he's shown the ability to run a 2 min drill like a veteran. And his incompletions have more to do with drops than bad throws more times than not. He's adjusted quite nicely since the Chicago game.
                Last edited by Bball; 10-22-2012, 03:43 PM.
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                • Re: Browns-Colts thread

                  Originally posted by Bball View Post
                  That's something I can't understand. Especially the part about the owner. Players will come and go... some will be busts, some will be surprises, some will be exceptional, some will be inconsistent, and some will be especially consistent. But, the owner is there for the long haul and to have this much hate for the owner and his business practices with the team I think I'd have to move on and fairly quickly.

                  No matter what happens on the field the owner is always going to be there. And if you hate him and his practices that much then it's always going to be sucking the life out of the game for you isn't it?

                  ...But that's just me....
                  That is true and you cannot imagine how many exColts fans did exactly that. I don't mind mistakes or bad decisions. I do mind being absolutely lied to. I'm not a big fan of Obama but Romney wouldn't tell the truth if the truth was an advantage to him. So, I won't vote for him. I don't think Irsay has anyone to pass the Colts on to and he doesn't look so healthy to me so I'll just wait and see if he croaks before I do....

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                  • Re: Browns-Colts thread

                    I don't know why I respond and take you seriously blu you are a pretty good troll if I thought you were any kind of serious about any hate/grudge/fandom especially since you're supposedly so upset about the Irsay manning situation why not just cut your losses and go find yourself a Broncos board to post on?

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                    • Re: Browns-Colts thread

                      Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                      That is true and you cannot imagine how many exColts fans did exactly that. I don't mind mistakes or bad decisions. I do mind being absolutely lied to. I'm not a big fan of Obama but Romney wouldn't tell the truth if the truth was an advantage to him. So, I won't vote for him. I don't think Irsay has anyone to pass the Colts on to and he doesn't look so healthy to me so I'll just wait and see if he croaks before I do....

                      Give me a link that proves that Irsay lied beyond a reasonable doubt. You say it all the time, so I'm sure finding one won't be hard for you.

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                      • Re: Browns-Colts thread

                        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                        Give me a link that proves that Irsay lied beyond a reasonable doubt. You say it all the time, so I'm sure finding one won't be hard for you.
                        He'd have an easier time providing names of the mythical posters who have sent him PM's agreeing with him on everything he says but too afraid to post their opinions.

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                        • Re: Browns-Colts thread

                          Gotta give the guy some credit. He's got three threads devoted to the same argument.
                          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                          • Re: Browns-Colts thread

                            Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                            That is true and you cannot imagine how many exColts fans did exactly that. I don't mind mistakes or bad decisions. I do mind being absolutely lied to. I'm not a big fan of Obama but Romney wouldn't tell the truth if the truth was an advantage to him. So, I won't vote for him. I don't think Irsay has anyone to pass the Colts on to and he doesn't look so healthy to me so I'll just wait and see if he croaks before I do....
                            Do you know Irsay? Was that lie personal? Did he lie to just you or to every colt fan? Just wanting to know why someone would get so emotional about something that is just so impersonal?

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                            • Re: Browns-Colts thread

                              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                              Gotta give the guy some credit. He's got three threads devoted to the same argument.
                              Actually it's WAY more than three. It's nearly ALL of them. I agree though that you do have to give it to the guy. He's found the perfect situation here to nestle up to the fire. Why would he leave? The posters here give him all he needs to keep his troll act going and admins have looked the other way for the most part and let him build a fort here. It's getting old quick. I got all kinds of PM's from an admin a few weeks ago saying they were watching him and they had already booted him for 30 days once. That's true by the way. OlBlu tried to play it off like it was his choice to not post for 30 days but just so everyone knows, it wasn't. He was actually banned from posting for those 30 days. Those 30 glorious OlBlu free days...'tis but a memory now. I better watch it. Calling a troll a troll is backseat moderating ya know...

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                              • Re: Browns-Colts thread

                                Now apparently it's suddenly ok to bring up politics again. Sweet I think I'll start some threads. We know how awesome it was when PD had the politics board. That ended well right? If that's not enough the troll announced in the same post he's waiting on Irsay to croak. Classy.

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