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  • #46
    Re: Here's my plea

    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    Haven't responded to anything he has said since i started this thread. And as i look at the styff he's posted in this thread, i wish he would be this logical and thoughtful when discussing Luck.
    Have you watched the Denver game? Have you seen how well Peyton is playing? That is why I will NEVER be a Luck fan. We gave up the best damn QB in the history of the league in my opinion. I can't forgive Irsay for that and all of his lies about it...... Not much of my feelings have anything to do with Luck but I have been very impressed by RGIII.....

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    • #47
      Re: Here's my plea

      Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
      Have you watched the Denver game? Have you seen how well Peyton is playing? That is why I will NEVER be a Luck fan. We gave up the best damn QB in the history of the league in my opinion. I can't forgive Irsay for that and all of his lies about it...... Not much of my feelings have anything to do with Luck but I have been very impressed by RGIII.....

      I can sympathize with this. I also miss Peyton a lot. He looks pretty damn good right now. I like Luck a lot, but seeing Manning finish his career somewhere else is pretty tough to watch.

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      • #48
        Re: Here's my plea

        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
        I can sympathize with this. I also miss Peyton a lot. He looks pretty damn good right now. I like Luck a lot, but seeing Manning finish his career somewhere else is pretty tough to watch.
        Amen!!

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        • #49
          Re: Here's my plea

          Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
          I tried to upload a picture but it doesn't do him justice. Bruiser is an 18 month old Great Dane puppy. He is a beautiful brindle who is gold colored with black stripes like a tiger. I took him down to Washington D.C. this weekend and walked him around the monuments. We had an entourage of about 25 kids who followed us everywhere. Kids are fascinated with him and they have no fear of him. He is a big friendly guy who loves kids and people in general. He is not so good with squirrels or cats but we are working on that....
          The legend of Ol Blu continues lol
          //

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          • #50
            Re: Here's my plea

            Keeping Peyton wasn't fair to the Colts fan or Peyton. The team to win a superbowl just wasn't there. We would have wasted Peytons final years. And missed out on quite possibly another HoF QB, who in time may be able to lead us back to the superbowl.

            If we want to be mad at somebody be mad at Polian for failing to refresh the team the way the Pats do. Not Irsay for doing what was best for both parties.

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            • #51
              Re: Here's my plea

              Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
              Keeping Peyton wasn't fair to the Colts fan or Peyton. The team to win a superbowl just wasn't there. We would have wasted Peytons final years. And missed out on quite possibly another HoF QB, who in time may be able to lead us back to the superbowl.

              If we want to be mad at somebody be mad at Polian for failing to refresh the team the way the Pats do. Not Irsay for doing what was best for both parties.
              Thank you.... thank you... thank you....

              100 more thank yous...
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

              -John Wooden

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              • #52
                Re: Here's my plea

                Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                Threads like this are like picking up a bee hive and shaking it. Like a bee and his stinger, the trolls will come out and post vigorously.

                But I find OlBlu in small doses to be a nice diversion from reality. He owns this forum though, so it's easy to get too much. The good news is, looking at the old fart, he doesn't have much time left. Those Double Whoppers he eats while on the road are catching up with him.
                Posts like these make people that are annoyed with him, have to defend him. Thats just not a cool thing to say about anyone. Just like i dont think it's cool for him to be rooting for Luck to get hurt. Anyone who wishes harm on a player or a poster or a coach or whatever, needs to have there forum handle locked for a few days so they can take a step back into reality, because obviously they just dont get it.

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                • #53
                  Re: Here's my plea

                  Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                  Oh, nobody took that seriously and certainly not OlBlu. Dude dishes it out...
                  I don't care. I've spent too much time on message boards and heard too many stories about the detriment an on the surface innocuous "joke" can cause to just brush it off because in this one instance it's not a big deal.

                  I'm not trying to be a cowboy moderator or whatever, but words, heard to one's face or read off a screen, have an impact. Strictly my opinion but the type of statement you made is at the very least completely reckless. It has no place in civilized discussion. I'm not trying to get on the soapbox, but seriously, c'mon people; golden rule.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Here's my plea

                    You guys can't be for real. You actually buy into it? Please tell me you don't REALLY believe that he's a 65 year old travelling producer who walks his dog with 25 kids follwing him around the monuments in Washington DC. BTW, I wouldn't have seen any of this if people would stop quoting him and circumventing my ignore list. All BlueNGold is doing is looking at his fake picture and pointing out a lie that gets more ridiculous by the day.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Here's my plea

                      Originally posted by Foul on Smits View Post
                      Posts like these make people that are annoyed with him, have to defend him. Thats just not a cool thing to say about anyone. Just like i dont think it's cool for him to be rooting for Luck to get hurt. Anyone who wishes harm on a player or a poster or a coach or whatever, needs to have there forum handle locked for a few days so they can take a step back into reality, because obviously they just dont get it.
                      I have never once rooted for Luck to get hurt. I have said over and over that I don't want that to happen. What I did say is that when I have watched the punishment he is taking, getting hurt is inevitable..... It was for RGIII too and I am a big fan of his.... Does Michael Vick get hurt? I know, I know, Luck is a big strong boy and that could never happen to him It can happen to anyone taking violent hits in the NFL.....

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                      • #56
                        Re: Here's my plea

                        Originally posted by travmil View Post
                        You guys can't be for real. You actually buy into it? Please tell me you don't REALLY believe that he's a 65 year old travelling producer who walks his dog with 25 kids follwing him around the monuments in Washington DC. BTW, I wouldn't have seen any of this if people would stop quoting him and circumventing my ignore list. All BlueNGold is doing is looking at his fake picture and pointing out a lie that gets more ridiculous by the day.
                        The picture isn't fake and the story is real. My occupation is just as I said it was. If you want to send me your email privately, I will show you the motorhome, the dog more pictures of me at work and play. Why would I lie about any of this? The people are going to keep quoting me so you had best just learn how to skip over a post before you apoplexy or something similar. I fear for your good health if you keep ranting like this.....

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                        • #57
                          Re: Here's my plea

                          Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                          I can sympathize with this. I also miss Peyton a lot. He looks pretty damn good right now. I like Luck a lot, but seeing Manning finish his career somewhere else is pretty tough to watch.
                          Does anyone not miss Peyton? Peyton gave us 14 amazing years. It would have been unfair to keep him here. It was the right move for him and the Colts. It would have been selfish of us as Colts fans to expect Peyton to waste the last couple years of his career here on a bad team. Instead we can allow Luck to grow with them instead of slowly watching Peyton waste away.

                          Peyton was sacked zero times last night behind that Broncos offensive line, as much as OlBlu likes to point out that Luck will get hurt here this year, then how could we have possibly expected Peyton to make it through this season? The offensive line was going to be garbage regardless and maybe even worse if we had kept Peyton's contract. It would have been a really poor way to send out Peyton IMO. Yes Peyton is great, but it is completely unfair to compare Luck to him right now, you guys know that deep down. I think OlBlu does too, honestly, a lot of his posts yesterday afternoon were very thoughtful on the subject as a whole.

                          I wish he would give Luck a chance, and not just "hate" him. Luck has done nothing other than perform at every level to earn his draft ranking.

                          If we want to be "mad" or "hate" anyone, as someone already mentioned, Polian is the guy who should have every finger pointing at him. He WASTED, our last half decade of early draft picks. I honestly can't think of many GMs that were worse than him in the whole league over his last 5 years here.


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                          • #58
                            Re: Here's my plea

                            Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                            Does anyone not miss Peyton? Peyton gave us 14 amazing years. It would have been unfair to keep him here. It was the right move for him and the Colts. It would have been selfish of us as Colts fans to expect Peyton to waste the last couple years of his career here on a bad team. Instead we can allow Luck to grow with them instead of slowly watching Peyton waste away.

                            Peyton was sacked zero times last night behind that Broncos offensive line, as much as OlBlu likes to point out that Luck will get hurt here this year, then how could we have possibly expected Peyton to make it through this season? The offensive line was going to be garbage regardless and maybe even worse if we had kept Peyton's contract. It would have been a really poor way to send out Peyton IMO. Yes Peyton is great, but it is completely unfair to compare Luck to him right now, you guys know that deep down. I think OlBlu does too, honestly, a lot of his posts yesterday afternoon were very thoughtful on the subject as a whole.

                            I wish he would give Luck a chance, and not just "hate" him. Luck has done nothing other than perform at every level to earn his draft ranking.

                            If we want to be "mad" or "hate" anyone, as someone already mentioned, Polian is the guy who should have every finger pointing at him. He WASTED, our last half decade of early draft picks. I honestly can't think of many GMs that were worse than him in the whole league over his last 5 years here.
                            Early draft picks, like all draft picks are basically a 50-50 proposition for a good GM. Yes, his early picks were bad for five years. They were GREAT before that. Some of that is offset by his ability to get so much out of middle round picks, late picks and undrafted free agents. I am never going to agree with you about letting Manning go. This team did not have to sink as low as it did. They could have used high draft picks for linemen if they didn't have to get tight ends to keep Luck happy. It didn't take long for Jacob to wind up in Denver with Peyton. If they hadn't taken Luck, they would have had the biggest haul of high draft choices in history. I think Peyton wouldn't have any trouble taking this team to ten wins if that had been done. I certainly don't blame that on the Polians. I do blame it on the lying owner. Luck will be compared to Peyton and to RGIII for his entire career. Right now, that comparison is pretty bleak. You see the Colts developing and winning. I seem them as perpetual losers for five to ten years. I will stick with my opinion (perhaps influenced by my hatred of the entire situation) that Luck will not be even a remote shadow to Peyton and not nearly the player RGIII is going to be.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Here's my plea

                              Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                              Early draft picks, like all draft picks are basically a 50-50 proposition for a good GM. Yes, his early picks were bad for five years. They were GREAT before that. Some of that is offset by his ability to get so much out of middle round picks, late picks and undrafted free agents. I am never going to agree with you about letting Manning go. This team did not have to sink as low as it did. They could have used high draft picks for linemen if they didn't have to get tight ends to keep Luck happy. It didn't take long for Jacob to wind up in Denver with Peyton. If they hadn't taken Luck, they would have had the biggest haul of high draft choices in history. I think Peyton wouldn't have any trouble taking this team to ten wins if that had been done. I certainly don't blame that on the Polians. I do blame it on the lying owner. Luck will be compared to Peyton and to RGIII for his entire career. Right now, that comparison is pretty bleak. You see the Colts developing and winning. I seem them as perpetual losers for five to ten years. I will stick with my opinion (perhaps influenced by my hatred of the entire situation) that Luck will not be even a remote shadow to Peyton and not nearly the player RGIII is going to be.

                              You make a lot of strong points. At worst, we would be 3-2 with Manning right now. Maybe even 4-1. We were going to lose the Chicago game with or without Manning I think. Manning would have carved up all of the easy teams on our schedule this year and we would have probably won 11 or 12 games with him, especially if we had used the number 1 pick to bring in a haul of assets.

                              I just don't buy all of this talk that it would have been some giant disservice of epic proportions to bring Peyton back to this allegedly abysmal Colts team. Would Peyton have been content with coming back to the Colts this season and beyond? I think that's an obvious yes. No question he wanted to end his career here. If it would have been good enough for him, then why do we as fans say that it would have been a disservice to do it? This current Colts team isn't as drastically bad as some make it out to be. We are 2-3 and have a good shot at going 3-3 with a rookie QB. Manning would have unleashed on all of the cupcake teams on our schedule.

                              TraderJoe, you make a good point about the O-Line potentially jeopardizing Manning's health. However, don't forget that the number 1 pick could have been used to bring in an obscene haul of assets which likely could have included lineman or picks to bring in lineman.

                              Olblu, you make lots of good points. However, I'm puzzled at how you can hate Irsay while at the same time you seem to absolve the Polians of any blame. Look at the Polian's drafting from 2007 onward. Crap draft after crap draft. It's as if Polian lost his touch immediately after we won the Super Bowl. Winning a Super Bowl was the last thing he needed on his resume', so it make sense to think that he began to let his son handle more things in the later years. Regardless, they did an absolutely horrible job the last 5 years they were here and are a huge reason why Manning is no longer on the roster. This team was completely ill-equipped to handle life without Manning. Why didn't we look at dumping Curtis Painter once it became clear in 2009 that he was awful?

                              I like Andrew Luck a lot and think he will have a great career here. However, I just don't get this whole mindset that it would have been armageddon for both the Colts franchise and Manning if we had brought him back.
                              Last edited by Sollozzo; 10-16-2012, 09:58 AM.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Here's my plea

                                Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                                You make a lot of strong points. At worst, we would be 3-2 with Manning right now. Maybe even 4-1. We were going to lose the Chicago game with or without Manning I think. Manning would have carved up all of the easy teams on our schedule this year and we would have probably won 11 or 12 games with him, especially if we had used the number 1 pick to bring in a haul of assets.

                                I just don't buy all of this talk that it would have been some giant disservice of epic proportions to bring Peyton back to this allegedly abysmal Colts team. Would Peyton have been content with coming back to the Colts this season and beyond? I think that's an obvious yes. No question he wanted to end his career here. If it would have been good enough for him, then why do we as fans say that it would have been a disservice to do it? This current Colts team isn't as drastically bad as some make it out to be. We are 2-3 and have a good shot at going 3-3 with a rookie QB. Manning would have unleashed on all of the cupcake teams on our schedule.

                                TraderJoe, you make a good point about the O-Line potentially jeopardizing Manning's health. However, don't forget that the number 1 pick could have been used to bring in an obscene haul of assets which likely could have included lineman or picks to bring in lineman.

                                Olblu, you make lots of good points. However, I'm puzzled at how you can hate Irsay while at the same time you seem to absolve the Polians of any blame. Look at the Polian's drafting from 2007 onward. Crap draft after crap draft. It's as if Polian lost his touch immediately after we won the Super Bowl. Winning a Super Bowl was the last thing he needed on his resume', so it make sense to think that he began to let his son handle more things in the later years. Regardless, they did an absolutely horrible job the last 5 years they were here and are a huge reason why Manning is no longer on the roster. This team was completely ill-equipped to handle life without Manning. Why didn't we look at dumping Curtis Painter once it became clear in 2009 that he was awful?

                                I like Andrew Luck a lot and think he will have a great career here. However, I just don't get this whole mindset that it would have been armageddon for both the Colts franchise and Manning if we had brought him back.
                                Make no mistake about it, the Polians were driven out because they didn't believe in releasing Manning and drafting Luck to replace him. Their picks at the top were not so good although Donald Brown and Hughes are still playing for the team. Their middle and late round picks held up just fine. But I don't disagree with what you say about them. It is yet to be seen what this new group will do. I think drafting two tight ends was silly but not the worst thing ever. I like everything else you had to say.....

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