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  • Re: Luck so far

    I seem to remember Blu having respect for Mel Kiper's opinion. So here's one for Blu.


    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat...guru-mel-kiper

    Hi Mel, what do you make of Andrew Luck's arm strength? I love Luck, but he does seem to have a pretty weak arm, and guys like Simms and even Mayock have seemed to question it.

    Mel Kiper (1:06 PM)


    It's not a weak part of his game. You don't need to have a Howitzer of an arm. Peyton Manning doesn't have a great arm. Joe Montana does not have a great arm. Luck's arm strength is well above average. His arm strength is not an issue. Will he have one of the five strongest arms when he comes in? No. But his accuracy, anticipation, awareness....Not having Owusu in that game with his speed really impacted their offense negatively against Oregon. The only thing you can say about his arm strength is it isn't elite.
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      Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
      If you consider fun making any absurd statement you want without anyone calling you on it, then, yes, the "fun" is over.....
      your the one who says the absurd stuff, you can't back up anything you say. It's all BS
      Smothered Chicken!

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        Arm strength is overrated. When was the last time a "howizter" won a SB? Favre in 1997? Maybe Kurt Warner in 2000? Warner could air it out, but I never really considered him to have a Favre-like cannon.

        How many "cannons" have been in the NFL since Favre entered? I can think of.... just a few. Stafford... Cutler. Supposedly Flacco can throw a heater and a bomb, but you just never see it. Brady can throw it, but it didn't seem like he really hammered it or bombed it in the early 2000s.

        Either way... cannons aren't usually how I measure a quarterback.
        Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 09-27-2012, 09:30 AM.
        There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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          Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
          Arm strength is overrated. When was the last time a "howizter" won a SB? Favre in 1997? Maybe Kurt Warner in 2000? Warner could air it out, but I never really considered him to have a Favre-like cannon.

          How many "cannons" have been in the NFL since Favre entered? I can think of.... just a few. Stafford... Cutler. Supposedly Flacco can throw a heater and a bomb, but you just never see it. Brady can throw it, but it didn't seem like he really hammered it or bombed it in the early 2000s.

          Either way... cannons aren't usually how I measure a quarterback.
          He can throw the ball 70 yards. Don't know what your talking about when you say his arm strength is overrated
          Smothered Chicken!

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            I've always viewed Brady and Manning as pretty even in arm strength. Neither of them as super elite in that category.

            Here's the thing, arm strength starts to give diminishing returns. Oh you can throw the ball 80 yards? Who gives a F, no one on your team can run that far. Oh you can throw it 100 mile per hour? Again who cares, no one on your team can catch it. Once you reach a certain plateau in the NFL of arm strength it matters less and less, Luck is on that plateau, he is where he needs to be for this category. It's nice to have the extra strength, it can help you a little when throwing on the run or under pressure, but it's not essential. I mean heck, look at some of the throws Luck has made on the run, they have been burners.


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              Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
              He can throw the ball 70 yards. Don't know what your talking about when you say his arm strength is overrated
              You need to re-read my post, because you completely misread me. I didn't say "his" arm strength is over-rated. I've been one of the proponents of Luck's arm strength on this forum for months, or have you not paid attention, lol. He's got damn good arm strength. If anything, Luck's arm strength is under-rated.

              My point was, arm strength on the whole is over-rated, there's a lot more to quarterbacking than arm strength. People like OlBlu seem to hang their hat completely on arm strength.
              Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 09-27-2012, 10:13 AM.
              There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                I can't do it anymore. I really can't. I'm sorry, but OlBlu, **** OFF! Go troll somewhere else. I don't give a **** anymore if the admins decide to keep you around and ban me. I can't enjoy the board anyway so if that's what they decide to do, then they deserve to have you. If someone has to be the sacrificial lamb to tell you to go to hell and get the **** out of here and leave us the hell alone then let it be me. You're nothing but an attention whore troll despite your constant blathering that you aren't a troll and you're being "picked on". You know full well what you are doing and in fact love the fact that people end up posting about you and to you instead of discussing the topic at hand. You're just some loser with a deep seeded desire to feel important and this is how you do it, by attempting to make the posters here pay attention to you. I realize that by making this post, I'm giving you EXACTLY what you want. But you know what, that's OK. You won't have to worry about me anymore as long as you're here. I'm calling you out for the troll you are. **** you and the troll horse you rode in on you ****ing trollfaced troll!

                Infraction +1. (or more maybe, but it's all true and I don't regret a word so lecturing me isn't gonna help much...)

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                  Dude, use the ignore user feature

                  No one is worth getting banned over. You are a good poster, do not get banned for something stupid like this.

                  -VA

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                    Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                    You need to re-read my post, because you completely misread me. I didn't say "his" arm strength is over-rated. I've been one of the proponents of Luck's arm strength on this forum for months, or have you not paid attention, lol. He's got damn good arm strength. If anything, Luck's arm strength is under-rated.

                    My point was, arm strength on the whole is over-rated, there's a lot more to quarterbacking than arm strength. People like OlBlu seem to hang their hat completely on arm strength.




                    sounded like that you were saying that Luck's arm strength was overrated.
                    Smothered Chicken!

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                      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                      I've always viewed Brady and Manning as pretty even in arm strength. Neither of them as super elite in that category.

                      Here's the thing, arm strength starts to give diminishing returns. Oh you can throw the ball 80 yards? Who gives a F, no one on your team can run that far. Oh you can throw it 100 mile per hour? Again who cares, no one on your team can catch it. Once you reach a certain plateau in the NFL of arm strength it matters less and less, Luck is on that plateau, he is where he needs to be for this category. It's nice to have the extra strength, it can help you a little when throwing on the run or under pressure, but it's not essential. I mean heck, look at some of the throws Luck has made on the run, they have been burners.
                      I always gave the advantage to Brady when talking about arm strength but what does that matter when most of Bradys career was about the short throws and most of Mannings career was the bombs to Marvin and Wayne.

                      Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
                      your the one who says the absurd stuff, you can't back up anything you say. It's all BS
                      Just to summarize Olblu thinks that Luck would be a BUST but has also said that he thinks he would be a decent QB in likes of Kerry Collins. Which one is it I don't know?

                      Either way apparently Cam Newton was his QB of the next generation and there off to the same miserable start the Colts are and he has more TO than Luck.
                      Last edited by Gamble1; 09-27-2012, 12:17 PM.

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                        Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
                        sounded like that you were saying that Luck's arm strength was overrated.
                        Actually.... not really, lol... you just skimmed over it.
                        There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                          Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                          Actually.... not really, lol... you just skimmed over it.
                          haha i did
                          Smothered Chicken!

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                            Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                            Arm strength is overrated. When was the last time a "howizter" won a SB? Favre in 1997? Maybe Kurt Warner in 2000? Warner could air it out, but I never really considered him to have a Favre-like cannon.

                            How many "cannons" have been in the NFL since Favre entered? I can think of.... just a few. Stafford... Cutler. Supposedly Flacco can throw a heater and a bomb, but you just never see it. Brady can throw it, but it didn't seem like he really hammered it or bombed it in the early 2000s.

                            Either way... cannons aren't usually how I measure a quarterback.
                            Aaron Rodgers? Ben Rothlisberger? Those two guys have SB rings

                            As far as who's in the league....Jay Cutler, Stafford (whom you mentioned) Vick still has a cannon as well.

                            Edit: I'll also agree that Arm Strength is way overrated. Most QB with monster arm's fail to work hard on other parts of their game (accuracy, ball placement, footwork, etc) because they've always gotten away with just zipping the ball past defenders.

                            Look at Cam Newton. Dude has a GUN for a right arm. But, he often makes throws that aren't catchable because of poor footwork.

                            Pretty much 90% of the league can chuck the ball 70 yards down the field. But its the times when you need to fit a ball into a tight window when a team is in man coverage, that's when arm strength is most important. And that's truly how you gague a QB's arm strength.

                            I think Luck has maybe an above average arm. Pretty good, but probably not top 10. But you don't need to have a top 10 arm to be a top 10 QB. In fact, I think the harder luck tries to throw the ball, the less accurate he is. On that INT against the Jags, he tried to zip a pass into tight coverage, and COMPLETELY overthrew the intended receiver. However, when he's on the run and is more worried about the DE that's chasing him, and less worried about how much zip to put on the ball, his arm seems pretty strong. Luck may be one of those QB's that just throws better on the run (Jake Plummer, Matt Schaub, Elway, Rodgers to name a few)

                            Once Luck masters ball placement, his lack of "elite" arm strength (Rodgers, Big Ben, etc) won't matter. Hell, it hasn't really mattered all that much anyways (with the exception of that interception against the Bears)
                            Last edited by Ace E.Anderson; 09-27-2012, 12:33 PM.

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                            • Re: Luck so far

                              For those curious, here are Luck's projected stats (thanks to ESPN), compared to Peyton's rookie stats, and, for a more contemporary comparison, Matt Ryan.

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                              • Re: Luck so far

                                Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                                Aaron Rodgers? Ben Rothlisberger? Those two guys have SB rings

                                As far as who's in the league....Jay Cutler, Stafford (whom you mentioned) Vick still has a cannon as well.
                                Okay I missed Rodgers. Roethlisberger.... I guess you could throw in there, although I've always regarded his strength as his ability to improvise and extend plays. He does have a decent arm, though. I still stand by my point, though, that having a cannon for an arm isn't really a requirement for success.
                                There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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