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Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

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  • #16
    Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

    Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
    Yes, for two reasons.

    One, I think a lot of LBs and DEs would love to put a really solid hit on him, and the type of injury he's recovering from scares me for someone playing tackle football. I know he found some doctors to clear him but along the way there others that wouldn't clear him.

    #2, outside of him, your talent level had fallen quite a bit since the mid-2000's. He might single-handedly get this current team to 7-9, 6-10, something like that, but as we've talked about regarding the Pacers, some times you're just better off getting that high draft pick than aim for 0.500 for a few seasons.

    If the rest of your roster looked like a SB contender, then you'd take your chances with Manning. But you were in need of a rebuild, and he needed to find a team that was just a QB away from contending. Denver was in the playoffs last year in spite of Tebow, it was and is the perfect situation for him. You've never heard me say, "just put a scrub in there at QB". You need somebody better than Tebow but on a well-balanced team.

    If Manning stays healthy, we might be looking at a Baltimore-Denver matchup come January.
    And this ad more to what I was saying, about why I like Irsay, he had a chance to stay in the middle for the next few years and instead decided to rebuild and let Peyton freaking Manning go, you need an owner with huge cojones to do something like that.
    Last edited by vnzla81; 09-12-2012, 11:46 PM.
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    • #17
      Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

      Originally posted by Bball View Post
      I did find it interesting that NBC reported that his rehab was ongoing.
      That's not surprising even he said he's not where he wants to be(whatever that means) fortunately for him on the Broncos he doesn't need to do as much compared to here since he does have a run game and an above average D.

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      • #18
        Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
        And this ad more to what I was saying, about why I like Polian, he had a chance to stay in the middle for the next few years and instead decided to rebuild and let Peyton freaking Manning go, you need an owner with huge cojones to do something like that.
        vnzla81 likes Polian!!!


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        • #19
          Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

          Now that the Manning era is over, I've been pinching myself over how lucky we were to watch this dude every year. And yes, I took it for granted. I think most people probably did. Every year, you went into the season knowing that the Colts would get a bunch of prime time games and national focus. Every year, you knew that you would win the division and at least contend for the championship. Every year, you got to watch this guy carve up a bunch of inferior teams who looked like they didn't belong on the same field at times. Every year, you knew that the star of your team would be in a bunch of goofy commercials that were broadcast for the entire country.

          Sure there were some disappointments and I think most fans will always feel that we should have achieved a little bit more. But for that one moment, in early 2007, we were at the top of the sports world. That second half against the Patriots in the AFC championship game was without question the best moment of my entire life as a sports fan and I don't think anything could ever top it. We at least know what it is like to be a fan of an NFL team that won a Super Bowl, and there are a lot of fans who cannot say that.

          The horseshoe will always come first to me, but I am definitely going to be watching Peyton closely this year. I wish him all the best and will be rooting for him every game. I hope he plays until he's 40.
          Last edited by Sollozzo; 09-12-2012, 10:12 PM.

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          • #20
            Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

            Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
            I'll especially give him credit for this, he used the running game quite well when we gave it to him. We've given it (running lanes) to him before and he insisted on trying to beat us in the air. Not so on Sunday night.
            I would say that our running game has been pretty awful the last 5+ years and that there weren't really a lot of lanes available due to poor running back play and poor offensive line play. Peyton probably felt compelled to throw because that was the only way we could win. In Denver, he has a great offensive line with superior running back talent than we had here. I always felt that Peyton would have loved to have a proper running game, and when Edge was around, we played to better potential than we have since he left and Tarik retired.

            I can't wait to watch him play. My hope is that Peyton wins a couple SBs within the next few years, and then our Colts (+Luck) become good enough to win SBs after that. Would be the perfect scenario.
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            • #21
              Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

              Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
              I would say that our running game has been pretty awful the last 5+ years and that there weren't really a lot of lanes available due to poor running back play and poor offensive line play. Peyton probably felt compelled to throw because that was the only way we could win. In Denver, he has a great offensive line with superior running back talent than we had here. I always felt that Peyton would have loved to have a proper running game, and when Edge was around, we played to better potential than we have since he left and Tarik retired.

              I can't wait to watch him play. My hope is that Peyton wins a couple SBs within the next few years, and then our Colts (+Luck) become good enough to win SBs after that. Would be the perfect scenario.

              If memory serves me right, the Addai/Rhodes combo in 2006 was EXTREMELY effective. That was the year after Edge left and we really didn't seem to miss a beat. Rhodes was huge throughout the post season, particularly in the Super Bowl, but we didn't re-sign him after that season. Addai was very effective in the first half of 2007, but he simply never became as good as many were hoping. That's not to say he wasn't good, because he was. But I think we were all hoping for a bit more. In Manning's last three seasons, 08-10, the running game was pretty lacking.
              Last edited by Sollozzo; 09-13-2012, 03:36 PM.

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              • #22
                Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                Uh, Bill Polian isn't the one who made the decision to let Peyton go.


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                • #23
                  Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                  Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                  If memory serves me right, the Addai/Rhodes combo in 2006 was EXTREMELY effective. That was the year after Edge left and we really didn't seem to miss a bit. Rhodes was huge throughout the post season, particularly in the Super Bowl, but we didn't re-sign him after that season. Addai was very effective in the first half of 2007, but he simply never became as good as many were hoping. That's not to say he wasn't good, because he was. But I think we were all hoping for a bit more. In Manning's last three seasons, 08-10, the running game was pretty lacking.

                  I agree with that. But I don't think the Addai/Rhodes combo was great until the playoffs started. Addai did a serviceable job but wasn't a scary running threat.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                    Originally posted by Bball View Post
                    vnzla81 likes Polian!!!


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                    • #25
                      Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                      Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                      If memory serves me right, the Addai/Rhodes combo in 2006 was EXTREMELY effective. That was the year after Edge left and we really didn't seem to miss a bit. Rhodes was huge throughout the post season, particularly in the Super Bowl, but we didn't re-sign him after that season. Addai was very effective in the first half of 2007, but he simply never became as good as many were hoping. That's not to say he wasn't good, because he was. But I think we were all hoping for a bit more. In Manning's last three seasons, 08-10, the running game was pretty lacking.

                      You could make a decent argument that Rhodes should've had a SB MVP. But really, there was no chance anyone other than Manning was winning the SB MVP as long as the team won....

                      Still Rhodes had a great SB.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                        Now that the Manning era is over, I've been pinching myself over how lucky we were to watch this dude every year. And yes, I took it for granted. I think most people probably did. Every year, you went into the season knowing that the Colts would get a bunch of prime time games and national focus. Every year, you knew that you would win the division and at least contend for the championship. Every year, you got to watch this guy carve up a bunch of inferior teams who looked like they didn't belong on the same field at times. Every year, you knew that the star of your team would be in a bunch of goofy commercials that were broadcast for the entire country.

                        Sure there were some disappointments and I think most fans will always feel that we should have achieved a little bit more. But for that one moment, in early 2007, we were at the top of the sports world. That second half against the Patriots in the AFC championship game was without question the best moment of my entire life as a sports fan and I don't think anything could ever top it. We at least know what it is like to be a fan of an NFL team that won a Super Bowl, and there are a lot of fans who cannot say that.

                        The horseshoe will always come first to me, but I am definitely going to be watching Peyton closely this year. I wish him all the best and will be rooting for him every game. I hope he plays until he's 40.

                        I stopped taking it for granted back in '03 or '04, I think it was. The Bucs game where the Colts came back from 21 down with 5 minutes to go after Peyton's pick 6. I didn't get to see it happen because I was angry and turned off the tv to get some sleep. One of the few things in my life that I truly regret. I've never given up on a Manning since.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                          I won't say it was a bad decision, but I'm sad Manning never got the send off Reggie got.

                          And yeah, watching him play again is great. It could be tough to stay logical about the Luck long term plan if the Broncos continue to look good, or heaven forbid win a super bowl.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                            Is it really surprising that a healthy veteran Peyton Manning on a good playoff team is going to do better / look better than a rookie Andrew Luck on a bad non-playoff team?

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                            • #29
                              Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                              Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
                              I would say that our running game has been pretty awful the last 5+ years and that there weren't really a lot of lanes available due to poor running back play and poor offensive line play. Peyton probably felt compelled to throw because that was the only way we could win. In Denver, he has a great offensive line with superior running back talent than we had here. I always felt that Peyton would have loved to have a proper running game, and when Edge was around, we played to better potential than we have since he left and Tarik retired.

                              I can't wait to watch him play. My hope is that Peyton wins a couple SBs within the next few years, and then our Colts (+Luck) become good enough to win SBs after that. Would be the perfect scenario.
                              And as I've said for seven years, you win SBXL if Manning is willing to hand the ball off to James. Manning shut him down that day, not the Steelers defense. The Steelers defense only had to worry about Manning and on that day, the only thing keeping the score close was a blown call on Polamalu's interception. Neither of those teams were going to lose to Denver or Seattle.

                              I don't believe for a moment that either Rhodes or Addai were near as effective as James. You didn't have to account for them defensively, they made their mark when defenses became one-dimensional nickel or dime packages. They didn't accomplish much against "base" defenses and you didn't see much "base" defense after James left. But with James there, you couldn't afford to play the dime against the Colts, and playing nickel all game long was risky.

                              And that's when the decline began, even though Manning still milked a lot of regular season wins out of a flawed concept and roster.

                              The Steelers aren't there yet, but Art Rooney III keeps saying, "we need to be able to successful at running the ball when we need to." And that's exactly what Denver did Sunday night - run successfully when they needed to or when we gave it to them - and it hurt us more than Manning's arm hurt us.
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                              Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                              Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
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                              • #30
                                Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                                Originally posted by Ransom View Post
                                I won't say it was a bad decision, but I'm sad Manning never got the send off Reggie got.

                                And yeah, watching him play again is great. It could be tough to stay logical about the Luck long term plan if the Broncos continue to look good, or heaven forbid win a super bowl.
                                The broncos were a playoff team last year (thought just 8-8) and won their initial playoff game. They added Tracy Porter to play the other side of Champ Bailey (very good CB combo) they have Von Miller and Dumerville to rush the passers, an above avg offensive line and running game. When you add 18 to the mix, then you have something pretty good.

                                The colts are coming off a yr when they won 2 games, have changed into a completely new offensive and defensive philosophy, is being led by a rookie QB with a pretty bad offensive line, on and off running game, and a new defense--all under a 1st yr head coach.

                                How could anyone possibly try and compare the two situations and feel slighted because 18 is doing well in DEN and we are struggling in Indy. Gotta be realistic man.

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