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Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

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  • #16
    Re: Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

    I don't get this for the Fins. You don't trade a 24 year old pro bowl caliber corner(when he was used right) who is on a cheap contract for 2 more seasons you build around that type of guy. Very small chance the player the Fins draft will be at Davis level. I guess he was a huge distraction that is all I can come up with he must be like Dez Bryant level cancer or Philbin is just a control freak who has to have 100% control. I'm a huge fan of Davis and think this is a steal. With this move and drafting Dwyane Allen (was my favorite TE prospect and really hoped the Bears would of drafted him love him as a Chris Cooley type guy in the future). The Colts have a lot of guys I like watching now should be interesting this move ups my win prediction for them this year. He takes a bunch of silly indisciplined plays but no doubt he has lockdown ability and top 5 CB talent.
    Last edited by pacer4ever; 08-26-2012, 03:56 PM.

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    • #17
      Re: Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

      Hmmmm, so I think we're down to 4 picks in next years draft? Not the way I like to rebuild. This guy has to be a long term stud to make this deal worthwhile. Sounds like a pretty big gamble. If he were the piece we needed to make the playoffs then it would be worth the risk. But that's unlikely so I'm not sure he's going to add enough to make this deal worthwhile.

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      • #18
        Re: Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

        Originally posted by Strummer View Post
        Hmmmm, so I think we're down to 4 picks in next years draft? Not the way I like to rebuild. This guy has to be a long term stud to make this deal worthwhile. Sounds like a pretty big gamble. If he were the piece we needed to make the playoffs then it would be worth the risk. But that's unlikely so I'm not sure he's going to add enough to make this deal worthwhile.
        I just don't agree with that 50% of 2nd rd picks don't get a 2nd deal. I mean 2nd rds are a gold but Vonte is gonna be better than 80% (of course a few stars will be drafted there like ever year) of 2nd rd picks next year and Vonte is a perfect fit. Vonte is at his best when he is just told to play 1v1 and not have to think much. I think the Colts understand that and not ask him to do much more than play man on the other teams best WR.Plus Vonte is 24 it isn't like he is 30. This is a guy who should be a core player on defense for 5+ years. I bet he is younger than many 2nd rds next year hell he is almost 5 years younger than Brandon Weeden. Just think of it like you drafted him if you could draft a Vonte Davis with a 2nd next year as a Bears fan I would be more than thrilled with that outcome for a 2nd rd pick.

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        • #19
          Re: Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

          Originally posted by Strummer View Post
          Hmmmm, so I think we're down to 4 picks in next years draft? Not the way I like to rebuild. This guy has to be a long term stud to make this deal worthwhile. Sounds like a pretty big gamble. If he were the piece we needed to make the playoffs then it would be worth the risk. But that's unlikely so I'm not sure he's going to add enough to make this deal worthwhile.
          I agree he has realize the potential to be worth the 2nd rounder.
          I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

          -Emiliano Zapata

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          • #20
            Re: Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

            Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
            Here's to hoping he doesn't show up to any practices here with booze on his breath
            Davis, or Irsay?

            The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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            • #21
              Re: Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

              Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
              The Dolphins coach is a "my way or the highway" kind of guy. He has moved some good players because they didn't buy into everything he wanted to do. I think a second round that rates to be the first pick in the second round is much too high but I am willing to hope for the best.....
              Guess it's a good thing there's no chance it will be the 1st pick in the 2nd round..

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              • #22
                Re: Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

                Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                I agree he has realize the potential to be worth the 2nd rounder.
                I would have really preferred an offensive lineman (Jake Long) but I think a his play has already justified a 2nd round pick (a starting CB with the ability to cover bigger WR). He is a very physical DB that fits well in our defensive scheme. I don't like the 2nd AND 6th round picks, but you have to give up things in order to get talent I guess.

                As far as him being a head case, I haven't heard of him running into the law, nor have I heard about him quitting on a coach and/or his team, so unless those things have happened (If they have, someone please let me know) I don't think that should be a worry.

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                • #23
                  Re: Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

                  I don't know where this Jake Long stuff comes from. The guy's 27 and at the worst the second best LT in the league. He's not getting traded for anything short of a Hershel Walker package.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

                    Pretty similar package the Jets gave up for a 25 year old Antonio Cromiarte he had more baggage but I believe the Jets ended up giving a 2 for him. Pretty remarkable how similar of players they are very good 1v1 but don't make them do much else and they will gamble and give up the big play every once in a while. I really can't see how a Colts fan could be mad you have to really over value draft picks to be mad at this trade IMO.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

                      OG Deuce Lutui and OT Alex Barron just got caught. They're not Pro Bowlers but light years better than Olsen and Linkenbach. Sign em.

                      Also just remembered Vontae is Verdon Davis's little brother. Vernon had the same maturity and work ethic problems early on and eventually got his head on straight.
                      Last edited by Heisenberg; 08-26-2012, 05:22 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

                        Originally posted by Swingman View Post
                        Guess it's a good thing there's no chance it will be the 1st pick in the 2nd round..
                        Hey!! It not only is a very good chance that the Colts would have the 1st pick in the second round, it is probable no matter what you Colts fanatics think. The great draft guru, Mel Kipper Jr. thinks the Colts could set a new NFL record by selecting first three years in a row. But, if it isn't first pick, it will almost certainly be the second or third pick. Have you been watching that offensive line and defense play? Evidently not......

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                        • #27
                          Re: Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

                          Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                          Hey!! It not only is a very good chance that the Colts would have the 1st pick in the second round, it is probable no matter what you Colts fanatics think. The great draft guru, Mel Kipper Jr. thinks the Colts could set a new NFL record by selecting first three years in a row. But, if it isn't first pick, it will almost certainly be the second or third pick. Have you been watching that offensive line and defense play? Evidently not......
                          So your opinion was to ignore preseason play until there was a game where the Colts didn't fare as well. Wonder why that is...

                          VERY LOW CHANCE that the colts have the 1st, 2nd or 3rd pick in the 2nd round but I can understand how a simpleton and his agenda couldn't figure that out

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                          • #28
                            Re: Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

                            Originally posted by Swingman View Post
                            So your opinion was to ignore preseason play until there was a game where the Colts didn't fare as well. Wonder why that is...

                            VERY LOW CHANCE that the colts have the 1st, 2nd or 3rd pick in the 2nd round but I can understand how a simpleton and his agenda couldn't figure that out

                            Mods, why do you let this man call me a simpleton while I got a post pitched for saying a guy lacked basketball knowledge? It would appear that your double standard is alive and well. This is just an average day...

                            Now, as for you, I have commented on every game and I remarked on how well Luck has played. I also said that preseason games are meaningless either good or bad. But I can see that we have no offensive line and we don't have the players that fit a 3-4. Both of those are recipes for disaster. I don't see Luck or anyone else lasting 16 games behind that line.......

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                            • #29
                              Re: Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

                              Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                              The great draft guru, Mel Kipper Jr.............
                              Who the hell is Mel Kiper ??

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                              • #30
                                Re: Vontae Davis to Colts for 2nd Round Pick

                                Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                                Who the hell is Mel Kiper ??
                                No, no, no. Ol Blu said he was talking about Mel KIPPER. Get your facts straight, Homer.


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