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  • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

    Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
    Explain? Otherwise, why bother with such a substance-less post?
    No explanation is needed. There's not a single piece of football that is made worse by quarterbacks sliding.

    If you want to see bad football, watch two teams play with their backup quarterbacks.

    Players avoiding injury is good for the game. In every conceivable way.
    "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

    -Lance Stephenson

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    • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

      Maybe teams need to invest more in their backup QBs. I recall a certain team was forced to start its backups for the first six weeks a few years ago, and started 3-1 and then the suspension was reduced to four games on their way to the Super Bowl. I think its clear that I don't over-value the QB position. I'm not saying Batch, Leftwich and Dixon were going to lead that team to the SB, but they were good enough to help a SB-quality team get off to a 3-1 start.

      (Now that QB wasn't injured, obviously. He's just an idiot.)

      But still, the same is also true when teams are forced to play their backup RB, backup TE, backup LT, backup OLB, backup SS, backup CB, etc.

      I still don't see why QB's should get different rules or treatment, especially when they have the ball in their hands. An opponent's bad management of the salary cap, and lack of quality backups, is not the defense's problem. The NFL season is an exercise in attrition and teams should be prepared for it.
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      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
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      • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

        The NFL should just go back to leather helmets too. If you're too worried about head injuries, then go play soccer.

        I gotta buddy that routinely complains about this type of stuff too. Major Steelers fan. Coincidence or just a product of rooting for a team that relies trying to break people in half?
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right. ― Ricky Gervais.

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          Maybe teams need to invest more in their backup QBS....

          The irony of this of course is that no team relies more on their starting QB playing hurt than the Steelers and Ben Roethlisberger. Ben has played hurt all the time specificlaly because he and the Steelers don't want to put in Charlie Batch.


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            http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ookies-of-2012

            http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post...s-mvp-watch-62


            BTW: Yahoo sports is a slight step above bleacher report.

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            • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

              Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
              I don't get caught up flip-flopping. Doesn't matter who has a better week next week, I know what I'm looking at. Been saying it from day 1, Luck is the better player, always will be.
              That is fine, but honestly I think it is so close that it will be hard to tell, until atleast after their 2nd or 3rd season, unless Griffin completely falls apart which I don't see happening, I like Luck more, but I am open and understanding to the positions people argue for Griffin as well.

              Just wondering how many games of RG3 have you watched from start to finish this year?
              Why so SERIOUS

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              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                No I haven't watched *every* RG3 game start to finish this year. I've watched him plenty, though. I'm curious if you've read anything I've posted on this subject over the past 8 months, lol.... I've stated *why* I prefer Luck on numerous occasions, gone into great detail... and it mostly has nothing to do with their play *this* year. If anything, Luck and RG3 are doing exactly what I thought they would do this year, based on my opinion of their abilities and past performances in college.I'm open to RG3's skillset, too, lol... it's not like I don't recognize that RG3 can be good. But that doesn't change my mind that he's anywhere close to Luck, lol... I've never regarded him in the same category.

                I might remind folks that he was ranked as a draft prospect around 93 and a late- to mid- first rounder just before he won the Heisman. It wasn't until his combine results, which I *knew* would be the case, made everyone fall in love with him. Late, fast risers due to combine results almost always end up not doing what people expect. After his combine, he jumped about 4 rating points! The world also learned he was very affable and likable at the combine interviews, which also boosted people's perception of him. Hell, he's so cool, *I* want to hang out with the dude. But that doesn't equate to football skills on the field. You hafta beware of these types of scenarios, combine results rarely project anything meaningful, there's been some bad players who were combine rock stars. Luck was pegged at 99 for at least a season, and possibly even before that. I didn't follow his draft rating his sophomore year. Very... very few players ever hit that 99 rating.

                I also think in the long run, RG3 won't be close. I've said in the past that I think Luck, Tannehill, and Russell Wilson all project to be better long-term QB prospects than RG3. I also had a feeling that the guy who would explode outta the gates would be RG3. He's by far the most over-hyped of the entire group. Hell, the 'Skins have a guy behind RG3 that I tend to keep an eye on. Not saying Cousins is better, but he shows me something, wouldn't be surprised if he finds a spot in this league and proves to be a very capable starter.
                Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 11-08-2012, 02:07 PM.
                There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                  Btw, this thread wasn't the first Luck vs. RG3 thread. I found http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...72-Luck-vs-RG3 to be pretty fun to go back and read through.
                  There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                  • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                    Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                    Btw, this thread wasn't the first Luck vs. RG3 thread. I found http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...72-Luck-vs-RG3 to be pretty fun to go back and read through.
                    It's very fun to go back and read through--OlBlu wasn't posting yet.

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                    • Originally posted by cdash View Post
                      It's very fun to go back and read through--OlBlu wasn't posting yet.
                      Thank you everyone for not bumping that thread, although it a far mor civil thread.

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                      • Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
                        Thank you everyone for not bumping that thread, although it a far mor civil thread.

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                        Why do people get so bent over bumps... lol

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                        There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                            I don't think Luck should win Rookie of The Year.....

                            Because I'm not sure if he's actually a rookie... he sure don't play like one!
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                            • Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                              Why do people get so bent over bumps... lol

                              Sent from my Kindle Fire using Tapatalk 2
                              Just didn't need another vs thread that won't die. I normally don't care.

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                              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                                Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                                No I haven't watched *every* RG3 game start to finish this year. I've watched him plenty, though. I'm curious if you've read anything I've posted on this subject over the past 8 months, lol.... I've stated *why* I prefer Luck on numerous occasions, gone into great detail... and it mostly has nothing to do with their play *this* year. If anything, Luck and RG3 are doing exactly what I thought they would do this year, based on my opinion of their abilities and past performances in college.I'm open to RG3's skillset, too, lol... it's not like I don't recognize that RG3 can be good. But that doesn't change my mind that he's anywhere close to Luck, lol... I've never regarded him in the same category.

                                I might remind folks that he was ranked as a draft prospect around 93 and a late- to mid- first rounder just before he won the Heisman. It wasn't until his combine results, which I *knew* would be the case, made everyone fall in love with him. Late, fast risers due to combine results almost always end up not doing what people expect. After his combine, he jumped about 4 rating points! The world also learned he was very affable and likable at the combine interviews, which also boosted people's perception of him. Hell, he's so cool, *I* want to hang out with the dude. But that doesn't equate to football skills on the field. You hafta beware of these types of scenarios, combine results rarely project anything meaningful, there's been some bad players who were combine rock stars. Luck was pegged at 99 for at least a season, and possibly even before that. I didn't follow his draft rating his sophomore year. Very... very few players ever hit that 99 rating.

                                I also think in the long run, RG3 won't be close. I've said in the past that I think Luck, Tannehill, and Russell Wilson all project to be better long-term QB prospects than RG3. I also had a feeling that the guy who would explode outta the gates would be RG3. He's by far the most over-hyped of the entire group. Hell, the 'Skins have a guy behind RG3 that I tend to keep an eye on. Not saying Cousins is better, but he shows me something, wouldn't be surprised if he finds a spot in this league and proves to be a very capable starter.
                                Was not attacking you, and I am just wondering because the small things QB's do are not always captured in highlight films, or statistics, also I did not say every game, I only asked how many have you watched from start to finish if it is none that is fine if it is 4 that is fine' but chances are that you have watched most if not all of Lucks so you get to see a lot more of him.

                                As far as Griffin is concerned check my post a little less than halfway down this page (http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...k-vs-RG3/page2), I go by my own interpretation of college players, your reasoning is focused on rankings and projections by analyst who are right sometimes but often wrong as well, not saying I am always right, but I watched Griffin since his freshman year in College, and felt during his Junior year that he had the talent to be a top 5 pick in the NFL draft, most analyst were late to the party because they are so worried about projecting someone extremely high and them looking like idiots if it doesn't happen, it was easy to project Luck as a 99, he had been hype since his first year of game action.

                                As far as reading what you have wrote, I had read some, and agreed with a lot, but I can not agree with the points you just made about Wilson and Tannehill projecting to be better, I think both will be good, but the thing is, Griffin knows how to buy time, has a quick release, is pretty accurate on deep balls and short passes, and makes smart decisions as well. The only thing that worries me about Griffin his his cockiness, he has confidence as well, but in sometimes I think he plays cocky as well and all though that is a good trait to have at times it can also prove to be counter productive. He will also have to learn how to stay healthy, especially since he opens himself up to hits when he takes off. Finally even though he has a gift as a runner he is a pocket QB, he trust his arm a ton and I don't think most knew that about him until they really started watching tape of him in college.

                                As I said before both have tons of talent, I am still in the Luck Camp, but I can see the case people make for RG3, and I think time will be the thing that tells all.
                                Why so SERIOUS

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