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Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

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  • #16
    Re: Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

    Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
    I just hope he stops forgetting that he does have to pass block occassionally.
    Brown grew into a pretty damn solid blocker last year.

    http://www.coltsauthority.com/2012-a...-all-time.html

    Far as his running, Brown's sort of Reggae Bush-lite, he needs to bounce it off the edge and make guys miss in space, and he's pretty good at that. The problem was Ryan Diem was our RT last year. I assume Winston Justice'll take his spot. Justice is basically just average, but that's a significant upgrade over what Diem became the last 2/3 years or so.
    Last edited by Heisenberg; 07-26-2012, 02:26 AM.

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    • #17
      Re: Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

      Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
      Brown grew into a pretty damn solid blocker last year.
      He may have improved last year but it's pretty hard for me to take much of anything from last year. I've mostly tried to block the whole season from my memory.
      "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

      -Lance Stephenson

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      • #18
        Re: Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

        Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
        He may have improved last year but it's pretty hard for me to take much of anything from last year. I've mostly tried to block the whole season from my memory.
        Not to worry. When you watch this years team, it will be worse......

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        • #19
          Re: Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

          Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
          Brown grew into a pretty damn solid blocker last year.

          http://www.coltsauthority.com/2012-a...-all-time.html

          Far as his running, Brown's sort of Reggae Bush-lite, he needs to bounce it off the edge and make guys miss in space, and he's pretty good at that. The problem was Ryan Diem was our RT last year. I assume Winston Justice'll take his spot. Justice is basically just average, but that's a significant upgrade over what Diem became the last 2/3 years or so.

          I didn't see his blocking improve. I saw blitzing linebackers run over him like a locamotive. He didn't offer even token resistance......

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          • #20
            Re: Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

            Originally posted by Steagles View Post
            Seriously I don't understand how some are upset at letting Garcon go. We got Wayne, our best receiver for something like 3 years/18M and Garcon got 5 years/43M. I'm no expert but the best receiver getting ~6M/year and a number 2 getting 8.6M/year doesn't make sense. I would love to have kept him here, but for that money, good freaking riddance.
            The money each got speakes for itself. Wayne is over the hill and Garcon` is still getting better. Garcon` will leave him in the dust this year and from what I saw, he was the number once receiver last year. Wayne had slightly better numbers but that was due to Garcon` being injured for a bit. In the games, it seemed like Painter couldn't even find Wayne but he sure saw Garcon` open.

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            • #21
              Re: Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

              Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
              Aren't you always preaching market value to us? If Garcon got the contract that he received, then he must be "that good"? So if Addai has been cut by both the Patriots and the Colts, then isn't he..... "that good"?
              Addai was cut because he was injured and didn't pass the physical. It had nothing to do with how good he is. When he is healthy, someone will pick up a very good running back. The Colts cutting him doesn't mean anything. They cut everyone and replaced them with low budget castoffs to put more money in Irsay's pocket. Luck will pay the price for that getting hammered in the backfield....

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              • #22
                Re: Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

                If he didn't pass a physical for NE, how would he pass it for Indy? And therefore do any pass-blocking for Luck? Illogical, dude!
                There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                • #23
                  Re: Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

                  Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                  If he didn't pass a physical for NE, how would he pass it for Indy? And therefore do any pass-blocking for Luck? Illogical, dude!
                  I agree with you if he was injured. I was talking about a healthy Addai and I had not read anything that indicated he was not healthy. I'm not sure it made any sense financially to bring him back to the Colts if was healthy. They are going to stink with or without him as they would with any running back in the NFL. They have no offensive line and the defense is going to give up 30 points per game and keep them in passing situations just about all of the time. So, the running backs won't get much work except to block.

                  USA Today has its AFC preview out today and the eight experts all have the Brocos in the playoffs either by winning the division or with the wild card. I thought it was interesting that the majority pick for offensive rookie of the year was RGIII and the other votes going to the highly drafted running back. Not one vote or mention of Luck. I just want to remind you all that Cam Newton came to a team that was just about as bad as the Colts and was rookie of the year and set passing records for a rookie. Why no love for Luck in this poll? He wasn't even mentioned. If he is the "All World" QB everyone hear claims, why wouldn't he do what what Newton did last year? I agree with them and I think RGIII will put enough distance between them stat wise over his first five years that Luck will never catch up. It will be hard for Luck to throw when he is under constant pressure from a leaky offensive line and running backs that can't pick off blitzing linebackers.... It is going to be very long season for Luck and he is going to be severely beaten up. I look forward to seeing how it all works out or does not work out. I am prepared and eager to dine on lots of crow if he does as well as some here predict......

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                  • #24
                    Re: Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

                    Rotoworld cited an interesting stat: His 2011 yards-per-carry average of 4.81 drops to 4.25 if you exclude one run -- the 80-yard touchdown in Week 15 against the Titans. That said, I still think he can have a good year, so long as the O-line just its job.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

                      You seriously don't get it, do you? The Colts are REBUILDING. You keep saying, "look, they're predicting the Broncos to be better than Indy" and "RG3 is predicted to have a better rookie season" ---- DUH man. Big fat hairy DUH. THose teams are not rebuilding. You seem upset that Indy decided to rebuild, which is sort of knowingly conceeding that you'll have a few poor seasons, with the objective that down the road you are in a better position to succeed than if you had not rebuilt from scratch

                      You do understand that concept right?

                      Of course the Broncos are projected to be in the playoffs --- they were a playoff team last year without Manning, and they just got a lot better at the QB position and they are NOT REBUILDING.

                      And as has been stated a million times before and you seem to be conveniently forgetting --- the 'Skins have a better team than Indy. Indy went 2-14 last year and then gutted their entire team and have like 26 rookies and another 57 guys who've never played in a regular season game. Luck has a lot more to overcome to throw up the stats that RG3 will likely throw up. RG3 has a lot more weapons around him that have some experience. The only experienced guy for Luck is Wayne. The rest are rookies or guys who don't have a lot of experience. So put "RG3 will have better stats" combined with "Skins will likely have a better record" and you get "RG3 is probly gonna Rookie of the Year". That does not mean he was the best long-term choice or the better player.

                      I feel like we're just repeating this over and over to you and it's not sinking in at all.

                      And the Colts themselves refuse to use the term rebuilding, but that is exactly what it is. It's a rebuild. That said, I don't think we'll be as bad as last year... but we will not be as good as Denver this year. Come back in 3-4 years and ask again. And Washington? Well, I wish I could say they will be better than Indy this year, but reality is, it's Washington we're talking about, who knows how that'll shake out.
                      Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 07-26-2012, 11:10 AM.
                      There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

                        Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                        Not to worry. When you watch this years team, it will be worse......
                        I don't think the Colts will be very good. But to say the Colts will be worse this year than last is either trolling or proof of retardation.

                        And you've been pretty consistent in your proclamation against being a troll.
                        "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                        -Lance Stephenson

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                        • #27
                          Re: Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

                          Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
                          I don't think the Colts will be very good. But to say the Colts will be worse this year than last is either trolling or proof of retardation.

                          And you've been pretty consistent in your proclamation against being a troll.
                          Given that he claims he's not a troll, I think we can go with retardation

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                          • #28
                            Re: Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

                            Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                            You seriously don't get it, do you? The Colts are REBUILDING. You keep saying, "look, they're predicting the Broncos to be better than Indy" and "RG3 is predicted to have a better rookie season" ---- DUH man. Big fat hairy DUH. THose teams are not rebuilding. You seem upset that Indy decided to rebuild, which is sort of knowingly conceeding that you'll have a few poor seasons, with the objective that down the road you are in a better position to succeed than if you had not rebuilt from scratch

                            You do understand that concept right?

                            Of course the Broncos are projected to be in the playoffs --- they were a playoff team last year without Manning, and they just got a lot better at the QB position and they are NOT REBUILDING.

                            And as has been stated a million times before and you seem to be conveniently forgetting --- the 'Skins have a better team than Indy. Indy went 2-14 last year and then gutted their entire team and have like 26 rookies and another 57 guys who've never played in a regular season game. Luck has a lot more to overcome to throw up the stats that RG3 will likely throw up. RG3 has a lot more weapons around him that have some experience. The only experienced guy for Luck is Wayne. The rest are rookies or guys who don't have a lot of experience. So put "RG3 will have better stats" combined with "Skins will likely have a better record" and you get "RG3 is probly gonna Rookie of the Year". That does not mean he was the best long-term choice or the better player.

                            I feel like we're just repeating this over and over to you and it's not sinking in at all.

                            And the Colts themselves refuse to use the term rebuilding, but that is exactly what it is. It's a rebuild. That said, I don't think we'll be as bad as last year... but we will not be as good as Denver this year. Come back in 3-4 years and ask again. And Washington? Well, I wish I could say they will be better than Indy this year, but reality is, it's Washington we're talking about, who knows how that'll shake out.
                            Carolina was rebuilding when they brought in Cam Newton and people predicted he would be the Rookie of the Year and he was. What is the difference with Luck? The difference is RGIII. Even Chappel from the Star voted for RGIII......... ... Shift+R improves the quality of this image. CTRL+F5 reloads the whole page.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

                              Originally posted by Swingman View Post
                              Given that he claims he's not a troll, I think we can go with retardation
                              I'll just keep posting what people around the country are saying about the Colts and it ain't pretty...... ...

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                              • #30
                                Re: Donald Brown is going to have a huge season this year

                                Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                                I'll just keep posting what people around the country are saying about the Colts and it ain't pretty...... ...
                                It may not be pretty but neither Luck nor RGIII has thrown a pass or done anything yet so arguing that RG will be better isn't worth spit. You seem to take the predictions as if the are psychic truths. If RGIII is so much better than Luck why was he chosen second?

                                What everyone knows is that no one knows who will have a better career. it's a crapshoot.

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