The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Mock Draft 5.0 Request

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    Anyone here have Insider and wanna post Todd McShay's most recent mock draft? I'm in class and extremely bored. Would be much appreciated!


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    Yeah 2 things, IU classes are pretty boring, lol and you might as well just wait and see what Mayock has to say later this evening.

    With two weeks remaining until the 2012 NFL draft kicks off, my final board is taking its final shape, but solidifying my prospect rankings doesn't mean the intrigue is subsiding for NFL teams.

    There are still plenty of things up in the air as team needs are adjusted and players make final visits to NFL cities, working out for teams and interviewing with coaches, scouts and front-office personnel.

    With that in mind, it's time for my annual scenario-based mock draft. I've broken down the possibilities for every first-round pick based on what I believe would be each team's ideal situation (within reason). That ideal is presented as Scenario 1, with others based on options for filling needs and the players available in this projection.

    Some teams -- such as the Colts, Redskins and Buccaneers -- have two clear options, while trades and other considerations give some teams as many as five scenarios.

    Here's how I see the first round unfolding as draft day approaches.

    * = draft-eligible non-seniors

    Indianapolis Colts
    Record: 2-14 | Top needs: QB, NT, CB, WR, TE, G, DE, LBAndrew Luck*, QB, Stanford
    Scenario 1: Luck is a once-in-a-generation prospect, and adding him is the best option for a team that is starting over in the post-Peyton Manning era.
    Scenario 2: The Colts could pull one of the all-time draft surprises and take Baylor QB Robert Griffin III instead, but that doesn't seem likely after Griffin declined to work out for the team.

    Washington Redskins (from STL)
    Record: 5-11 | Top needs: QB, ILB, ROT, RB, S, CB, C/G, OLBRobert Griffin III*, QB, Baylor
    Scenario 1: The Redskins sent three first-round picks to the St. Louis Rams to move into this spot, and Griffin is their target. He's a perfect fit for coach Mike Shanahan's system.
    Scenario 2: Should Indianapolis shock the world, Washington would happily settle for Luck.

    Minnesota Vikings
    Record: 3-13 | Top needs: OT, WR, S, CB, MLB, DT, OLB, DE Matt Kalil*, OT, USC
    Scenario 1: The ideal situation for the Vikings would be to get a blockbuster trade offer -- likely from a team looking to get ahead of the Cleveland Browns and draft Texas A&M QB Ryan Tannehill -- that keeps them in the top 10 and adds another first-round pick. That would allow them to get an offensive tackle such as Iowa's Riley Reiff or a receiver such as Notre Dame's Michael Floyd and address another need later in the first round.
    Scenario 2: If Minnesota stays home here, it will be able to add a franchise left tackle in Kalil.

    Cleveland Browns
    Record: 4-12 | Top needs: RB, WR, QB, ROT, OLB, DE, DT, C/GTrent Richardson*, RB, Alabama
    Scenario 1: I've said all along that this pick will decide how much of the rest of the first round plays out, and I still feel that way. From an overall standpoint, Richardson ranks ahead of Oklahoma State WR Justin Blackmon and Tannehill, in that order, but from a positional-value standpoint the list would be reversed. The Browns face a tough decision, but Richardson is likely to be the pick.
    Scenario 2: Blackmon would offer current QB Colt McCoy the kind of perimeter weapon he has been lacking since entering the league.
    Scenario 3: Take Tannehill. It all comes down to how Cleveland feels about Tannehill and his potential, and whether the team is content to stand pat with McCoy and build around him.

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Record: 4-12 | Top needs: RB, CB, OLB, SS, G, TE, ILB, WR Morris Claiborne*, CB, LSU
    Scenario 1: Richardson would be the pick if available. The Bucs have LeGarrette Blount, but he has had durability and fumbling issues, and Richardson is the most complete back to enter the draft since Adrian Peterson.
    Scenario 2: Claiborne is also one of the five elite prospects in this year's class, and his quickness, fluid hips and ball skills would solidify a secondary that faces questions about Ronde Barber (age) and Aqib Talib (off-field issues). Either way, Tampa Bay gets a top player in a major need area.

    St. Louis Rams (from WAS)Record: 2-14 | Top needs: WR, OT, DT, CB, RB, LB, QB, SJustin Blackmon*, WR, Oklahoma State
    Scenario 1: If Kalil should somehow slip out of the top five, he's the pick. The same could be said of Richardson, as the heir-apparent to Steven Jackson.
    Scenario 2: With Kalil gone, Blackmon's size, hands and playmaking ability would give Rams QB Sam Bradford a top playmaker on the outside.
    Scenario 3: There is some buzz about the Rams being open to trading down yet again and acquiring even more picks, because as our draft tiers breakdown shows, if the right player is not available there is a drop-off in talent at this point.
    Scenario 4: If Claiborne should fall, he would be a consideration for a team that struggled to defend the pass last season.
    Scenario 5: The Rams could opt for the top defensive tackle on the board to fill a big need. In this case that would be Mississippi State's Fletcher Cox, who would bring solid versatility and production to the defensive line.

    Jacksonville JaguarsRecord: 5-11 | Top needs: WR, DE, C, ROT, CB, OLB, RB, DTMelvin Ingram, DE/OLB, South Carolina
    Scenario 1: If Blackmon should fall this far the Jaguars have to pull the trigger. They've gone far too long without a true No. 1 target in the passing game, and it's hard to fully evaluate second-year QB Blaine Gabbert without proper weapons around him.
    Scenario 2: Jacksonville would certainly like to take advantage of a team looking to get ahead of the Miami Dolphins to draft Tannehill. Moving back and adding picks would help a team that has plenty of needs.
    Scenario 3: If stuck here, the Jags go with the best available defensive end. General manager Gene Smith likes safer, more proven prospects, so Ingram fits better than North Carolina's Quinton Coples. Ingram is versatile, explosive and shows a knack for making big plays, while Coples has impressive tools but faces questions about his motor and work ethic.
    Scenario 4: If he falls in ahead of Ingram on their board, the Jaguars could take Reiff and shore up their offensive line.

    Miami DolphinsRecord: 6-10 | Top needs: QB, WR, ROT, S, DE, CB, TE, OLB Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
    Scenario 1: Tannehill has all kinds of upside with his athleticism and arm talent, and he played under new Miami offensive coordinator Mike Sherman in college. Getting him is the best-case scenario whether the Dolphins stay put or trade up.
    Scenario 2: Should Tannehill be off the board, take the best available offensive player. That's Reiff or Floyd in this case. Reiff would offer a nice bookend opposite current LT Jake Long, and Floyd would add a weapon on the outside.
    Scenario 3: Opt for the best defensive player remaining on the board. That could include options such as Ingram, Fletcher Cox, Coples, Boston College ILB Luke Kuechly and Alabama S Mark Barron.

    Carolina PanthersRecord: 6-10 | Top needs: CB, OLB, WR, OT, DT, G, DEFletcher Cox*, DT, Mississippi State
    Scenario 1: Coach Ron Rivera needs an impact D lineman at some point, and Cox's versatility, explosiveness and motor would be put to good use.
    Scenario 2: Bolster the defensive line with a defensive end such as Ingram if he should be available.
    Scenario 3: Take their highest-rated available player at a position of need, whether that's Reiff, Floyd or South Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore.

    Buffalo BillsRecord: 6-10 | Top needs: OT, WR, OLB, CB, QB, TE, ILB, G Riley Reiff*, OT, Iowa
    Scenario 1: Reiff falling to this spot is the ideal situation for the Bills, who have not taken an offensive tackle in the first round since selecting Mike Williams fourth overall in 2002. Reiff is technically sound and would help solidify things in front of QB Ryan Fitzpatrick.
    Scenario 2: Floyd would be attractive as a physical outside presence opposite current No. 1 receiver Steve Johnson.
    Scenario 3: Ignore needs and take advantage of a value pick on defense. Kuechly would offer a good fit in the middle, or if Ingram were available he would bolster the pass rush.

    Kansas City ChiefsRecord: 7-9 | Top needs: 3-4 NT, LG, ILB, S, 3-4 OLB, RB, DE, WR/RB/TELuke Kuechly*, ILB, Boston College
    Scenario 1: Kuechly is a slam dunk to fill a big need. He can be plugged in next to Derrick Johnson immediately to form one of the best 3-4 inside tandems in the league. He's instinctive, productive and athletic, and he could allow for some scheme versatility.
    Scenario 2: Nose tackle is the Chiefs' top need, and Memphis DT Dontari Poe would fit the bill. However, he's likely not the first choice because general manager Scott Pioli prefers proven commodities over prospects with potential. Still, how often does a team get a chance to pick a potentially dominant two-gap nose tackle who can also add some pass-rush potential from the inside.
    Scenario 3: Take LSU DT Michael Brockers, who is a better overall player than Poe but who might not be the best fit in the middle in a 3-4.
    Scenario 4: Fill a need along the offensive front with Stanford G David DeCastro, who will immediately be one of the best guards in the league.
    Scenario 5: Opt for Barron to solidify the secondary.

    Seattle SeahawksRecord: 7-9 | Top needs: LB, DE, G/ROT, WR, RB, QB, CB, TEQuinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
    Scenario 1: Take Kuechly and bring some stability to a linebacker corps that has seen the likes of Julian Peterson, Aaron Curry, David Hawthorne and others come and go in recent years.
    Scenario 2: With Kuechly gone, Coples becomes a value pick at this point and will add a versatile presence who can both pressure the quarterback and hold up against the run when his motor is running high.
    Scenario 3: Look to need areas elsewhere on offense with DeCastro or Floyd.

    Arizona CardinalsRecord: 8-8 | Top needs: ROT, WR, 3-4 OLB, QB, DE, DB, C/G, ILB Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
    Scenario 1: If Reiff is available, he's the pick. The Cardinals have a big hole at offensive tackle, and Reiff is ready to step in immediately.
    Scenario 2: With Reiff gone, Floyd would be a solid complement to Larry Fitzgerald, with the hands and downfield ball skills to take advantage of all the attention Fitzgerald attracts.
    Scenario 3: Add a quality prospect who can fill a need at 3-4 outside linebacker. Ingram would be a fit if he were available.
    Scenario 4: Bring in the best available defensive lineman, whether they feel that's Poe or Brockers.

    Dallas CowboysRecord: 8-8 | Top needs: S, DL, CB, WR, G, RB, OLB, QB Dontari Poe*, DT, Memphis
    Scenario 1: Defensive line might not seem like the top need, but Poe is the kind of young, versatile talent defensive coordinator Rob Ryan would like to develop. And with Kenyon Coleman on the downside of his career and Jay Ratliff able to move to 5-technique/DE, Poe would bring some depth and flexibility to the defensive front.
    Scenario 2: The Cowboys have been searching for some time for a versatile, do-it-all safety who can be a quarterback in the secondary, so Barron could easily be the pick.
    Scenario 3: Bring in Floyd to provide QB Tony Romo with another weapon on the outside.
    Scenario 4: Brockers is also an option to upgrade the defensive line.
    Scenario 5: The Cowboys need to shore things up at cornerback, and at this point Gilmore would be a good fit.

    Philadelphia EaglesRecord: 8-8 | Top needs: LT, S, OLB, DT, QB, RB, TE, DE Mark Barron, S, AlabamaScenario 1: The Eagles would love to see Reiff slip to them here, but that won't happen.
    Scenario 2: Barron fills one of Philadelphia's top three needs, and the Eagles have lacked a do-everything, physical presence at safety since Brian Dawkins left town.
    Scenario 3: Find a way to get a defensive tackle. The Eagles would like it if Cox were available but might look for a more proven commodity at other positions if Brockers is the top tackle on the board. With Barron, Reiff, Cox and Poe gone in this scenario, that could mean trading back and bringing in a player such as Michigan State DT Jerel Worthy while also adding extra picks.
    Scenario 4: Don't rule out Kuechly if he should fall this far. Yes, Philadelphia brought in ILB DeMeco Ryans via trade, but Kuechly might be too good to pass and has the ability to move to the outside.
    New York JetsRecord: 8-8 | Top needs: OLB, WR, RT, DE, S, RB, ILB, TE Chandler Jones*, DE, Syracuse
    Scenario 1: Ingram is the ideal choice for New York's 3-4 scheme, but he'll be long gone.
    Scenario 2: Reiff would fill a big need as well, but he'll also be off the board.
    Scenario 3: Add a bigger receiver who can complement Santonio Holmes. However, with Floyd off the board there's no other receiver worth the pick.
    Scenario 4: Trade back and find better value at one of the previously mentioned positions later in the first round.
    Scenario 5: If the Jets are stuck here, Jones isn't the ideal pick but is a versatile prospect with good length and pass-rush potential, and he's one of the most underrated players in the entire class.

    Cincinnati Bengals (from OAK)Record: 9-7 | Top needs: WR, G, SS, CB, DE, RB, OLB, DT David DeCastro*, G, Stanford
    Scenario 1: DeCastro is a good value at this point and fills a top need. He can step in right away and help stabilize things in front of second-year QB Andy Dalton.
    Scenario 2: If Barron were still on the board, the Bengals would have to think hard about taking him.
    Scenario 3: Upgrade at corner with Gilmore.
    Scenario 4: Cincinnati could reach for a wide receiver at this point, but is more likely to address that need later in the first round.
    San Diego ChargersRecord: 8-8 | Top needs: G, C, S, NT, RT, OLB, DE, RB/WR/TE Cordy Glenn, OT/G, Georgia
    Scenario 1: DeCastro would be the ideal solution at guard, but he's off the board in this projection.
    Scenario 2: Barron would also fill a need area if he were available.
    Scenario 3: The Chargers need to keep QB Philip Rivers upright, and Glenn provides an upgrade over Jeromey Clary at right tackle. He also has the versatility to play guard and offer an upgrade in the running game as well.
    Scenario 4: Opt for the top pass-rusher on their board, whether that's USC's Nick Perry or Alabama's Courtney Upshaw.

    Chicago BearsRecord: 8-8 | Top needs: LT, CB, DE, LB, TE, DT, G, SStephon Gilmore*, CB, South Carolina
    Scenario 1: Gilmore could be a top-15 pick, and while he's still developing in terms of instincts he has the size, athleticism and speed to become a No. 1 corner. And a team that will face Aaron Rodgers and Matthew Stafford four times a year has to be able to cover on the perimeter.
    Scenario 2: Upgrade at defensive end with Upshaw, who could add to the pass rush and bolster the run defense.
    Scenario 3: Address a need at left tackle with Ohio State's Mike Adams or Stanford's Jonathan Martin.
    Scenario 4: If Gilmore is off the board the Bears could choose to address their corner need with Alabama's Dre Kirkpatrick or North Alabama's Janoris Jenkins. There are character concerns with Jenkins, but he has more man-to-man cover skills than Kirkpatrick.

    Tennessee TitansRecord: 9-7 | Top needs: CB, LB, S, OT, DE, RB, WR, DT Dre Kirkpatrick*, CB, Alabama
    Scenario 1: Cornerback is the team's top need and the Titans would take Gilmore if he were available.
    Scenario 2: Kirkpatrick is a good fit in Tennessee's zone-heavy scheme with his size, toughness and instincts.
    Scenario 3: Alabama ILB Dont'a Hightower is a possibility. The Titans have a need at the position, and while they like 2011 draft pick Colin McCarthy there is no other inside linebacker worth taking here.
    Scenario 4: Take the highest-rated available tackle offensive tackle on their board, whether that's Martin or Adams.

    Cincinnati BengalsRecord: 9-7 | Top needs: WR, G, SS, CB, DE, RB, OLB, DT Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
    Scenario 1: Having gotten their guard earlier in the round, Wright fills another big need. He's a dynamic playmaker who can work from the slot or on the outside opposite A.J. Green and take advantage of the attention paid to Green.
    Scenario 2: This could be the spot the Bengals address their need at corner, and if any team were going to be comfortable with Jenkins and his baggage it would likely be Cincinnati.
    Scenario 3: Trade back, perhaps with a team looking to get ahead of Cleveland and assure itself of getting the quarterback it wants. That would allow the Bengals to move back and fill a need with a better value, such as Miami RB Lamar Miller or Boise State RB Doug Martin or Notre Dame S Harrison Smith.

    Cleveland Browns (from ATL)Record: 4-12 | Top needs: RB, WR, QB, RT, OLB, DE, DT, C/G Jonathan Martin*, OT, Stanford
    Scenario 1: Cleveland would like to see Wright fall here to give McCoy another playmaker to work with.
    Scenario 2: Not taking Tannehill in the top five shows a willingness to build around McCoy, and with Wright gone Martin offers a plug-and-play option who is familiar with the West Coast offense and zone-blocking principles.
    Scenario 3: Reach for a second-tier quarterback. However, not taking Tannehill makes it unlikely the Browns would reach for a player like Oklahoma State's Brandon Weeden, who would be a bigger reach and offer significantly less upside at this point.

    Detroit LionsRecord: 10-6 | Top needs: CB, LOT/G, LB, DE, RB, C, S, TE Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama
    Scenario 1: Upgrade at corner if Gilmore and Kirkpatrick are on the board.
    Scenario 2: Take the best available pass-rusher, which in this case is Upshaw. The Lions could continue to build their defensive line as the strength of the team with Upshaw's power and pass-rush ability.
    Scenario 3: Detroit needs to keep Stafford upright, and Adams has the size, agility and length teams look for in a left tackle. Consistency is a question, but Adams has top-15 talent, and having a veteran tackle such as Jeff Backus to learn from could help him maximize his talent.
    Scenario 4: Fill a need at corner with Jenkins, who would be a gamble but is the second-best cover corner in the draft.

    Pittsburgh SteelersRecord: 12-4 | Top needs: OT/G, CB, NT, ILB, RB, S, QB, WRDont'a Hightower*, ILB, Alabama
    Scenario 1: Hightower is the perfect fit in Pittsburgh's 3-4 scheme with size, speed and the power to control the interior against the run.
    Scenario 2: Add Brockers, cashing in on a top-15 value falling down the board and bringing size and power to the defensive line.
    Scenario 3: Fill a need at tackle with the best available player, in this case Adams.

    Denver BroncosRecord: 8-8 | Top needs: DT, CB, G/C, RB, WR, QB Michael Brockers*, DT, LSU
    Scenario 1: The Broncos have a glaring need in the middle of their defense, and Brockers is a great fit. He's big and powerful and has good tape, and his best football is still ahead of him.
    Scenario 2: Jump on Kirkpatrick if he should fall down the board.
    Scenario 3: If the defensive players they value are not available, the Broncos could look trade back and pick up extra selections. That could allow them the luxury of taking Peyton Manning's heir apparent (Brock Osweiler?) in the second round while also addressing a need at running back (Boise State's Doug Martin), corner (Jenkins) or defensive tackle (Washington's Alameda Ta'amu).

    Houston TexansRecord: 10-6 | Top needs: WR, ROT, ILB, G, CB, 3-2 OLB Stephen Hill*, WR, Georgia Tech
    Scenario 1: The Texans would like nothing more than to see Wright fall to them and add a dynamic playmaker opposite Andre Johnson.
    Scenario 2: Hightower would also be an attractive option if he were available as a replacement for the departed DeMeco Ryans.
    Scenario 3: Hill offers a big, fast option who is raw but could form a dangerous tandem with Johnson.
    Scenario 4: Take the best available offensive tackle, in this case Adams, to fill the void left by the release of Eric Winston.

    New England Patriots (from N.O.)Record: 13-3 | Top needs: DE, S, DT, G/C, CB, SLB, OT, RB Nick Perry*, DE, USC
    Scenario 1: The Patriots need a pass-rusher, and Perry is the best available option in terms of what they are looking for. He's big enough to fit their system, and his instincts would be a welcome addition after the slow development of Jermaine Cunningham.
    Scenario 2: Strengthen the defensive line with Brockers or Worthy, who isn't a prototypical two-gap tackle but is quick and explosive and would fit in New England's flexible scheme. Connecticut DT Kendall Reyes could also be an option.
    Scenario 3: Look to the future of the offensive line and take Wisconsin C Peter Konz.
    Scenario 4: Begin addressing the secondary with Notre Dame S Harrison Smith, who has risen in recent weeks thanks to solid workouts and good film study.
    Scenario 5: Even though there is plenty of value at this point, there is always the chance the Patriots will make a move to add extra picks. That could be especially true this year, with the Patriots having six picks in the top 126 overall, but none in Rounds 5-7. They've had success in the later rounds recently (WR Julian Edelman, K Zoltan Mesko, DE Brandon Deaderick), so picking up selections in that area could have benefits.

    Green Bay PackersRecord: 15-1 | Top needs: OLB, S, RB, DE, CB, C, QB, TE Andre Branch, DE, Clemson
    Scenario 1: Branch has the versatility to play end or outside linebacker in the Packers' versatile scheme, and the Packers desperately need a pass-rusher who can draw some attention away from OLB Clay Matthews.
    Scenario 2: Look to another pass-rusher such as Boise State OLB Shea McClellin or Illinois DE Whitney Mercilus.
    Scenario 3: If the Packers don't feel good about any of the pass-rushers available, they could trade back and find value at a position of need, perhaps at running back in Miller or Wilson.

    Baltimore RavensRecord: 12-4 | Top needs: G, OLB, LOT, DE, ILB, RB Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
    Scenario 1: The Ravens would likely prefer to trade up or back to get better value. In this class moving back five or six spots and adding an extra pick is the better option because the board is thin at their need positions at this point and the Ravens have not historically been a team that reaches for players.
    Scenario 2: Smith has the skill to contribute right away, and he would provide a backup plan in the event Ed Reed's durability issues surface again.
    Scenario 3: Guard is a need area, and Wisconsin's Kevin Zeitler fits the Ravens' tough attitude. Northwestern State's Amini Silatolu is a more talented player, but there are questions about his ability to absorb an NFL system and play immediately.
    Scenario 4: Add help at linebacker. There is no inside linebacker worth this pick, but McClellin is the kind of versatile front-seven defender Baltimore can't get enough of.
    Scenario 5: Left tackle is also a need, and Adams has the tools to come off the board in this range, but he might not have the grind-it-out-mentality the Ravens look for.

    San Francisco 49ersRecord: 13-3 | Top needs: G, DE, CB, WR, OLB, TE, S, ILB Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut
    Scenario 1: San Francisco would love to see Hill drop to this spot and add a dynamic weapon to the passing game.
    Scenario 2: Trade out. Defensive linemen such as Ta'amu and Clemson's Brandon Thompson are not worth the pick, but moving back could allow the Niners to fill a need position with a better value, perhaps Zeitler, Silatolu or a 3-4 defensive lineman.
    Scenario 3: They could elect to go with the best defender available, meaning they might get comfortable with Jenkins or look to McClellin to bring some pass-rush help opposite Aldon Smith.
    Scenario 4: Reyes might not appear on the surface to be the best fit, but he's a smart, versatile player who can pick up the system quickly and inject some youth into an aging defensive front.

    New England PatriotsRecord: 13-3 | Top needs: DE, DT, DB, C, SLB, WR Jerel Worthy*, DT, Michigan State
    Given the scenarios laid out above, Worthy is the best option in this scenario. His motor runs hot and cold at times, but he has the tools to become a disruptive presence.

    New York GiantsRecord: 9-7 | Top needs: OT, RB, LB, DT, DE, S Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
    Scenario 1: Given their need at the position and Adams' impressive natural tools, he's hard to pass up at this point.
    Scenario 2: Take advantage of value and make a luxury pick for a player such as Stanford TE Coby Fleener or Nebraska OLB Lavonte David.
    Scenario 3: If there are teams looking to get into the back end of the first round (possibly to get a quarterback), the Giants could get a trade that allows them to move out of the pick and still get value at need positions in the second round.
    Why so SERIOUS


    • #3
      Re: Mock Draft 5.0 Request

      Full mock he put up today, enjoy.

      Complete seven-round mock draft
      Scouts Inc. projects all seven rounds of the 2012 NFL draft
      Originally Published: April 25, 2012
      By Todd McShay, Steve Muench and Kevin Weidl | Scouts Inc.
      With the NFL draft about to kick off, Scouts Inc. has gathered all the information, rumors and buzz making the rounds in scouting circles and projects all seven rounds.

      Todd McShay will have a final first-round update Thursday morning in the hours leading up to the first overall pick, but here's a look at how we currently match prospects to team needs up and down the board.

      Round 1
      Pick (OVR) Team Player
      1 (1) Indianapolis Colts Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
      2 (2) Washington Redskins (from STL) Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
      3 (3) Minnesota Vikings Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
      4 (4) Cleveland Browns Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
      5 (5) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College
      6 (6) St. Louis Rams (from WAS) Matt Kalil, OT, USC
      7 (7) Jacksonville Jaguars Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
      8 (8) Miami Dolphins Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
      9 (9) Carolina Panthers Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina
      10 (10) Buffalo Bills Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
      11 (11) Kansas City Chiefs Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
      12 (12) Seattle Seahawks Chandler Jones, DE, Syracuse
      13 (13) Arizona Cardinals Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
      14 (14) Dallas Cowboys Mark Barron, S, Alabama
      15 (15) Philadelphia Eagles Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State
      16 (16) New York Jets Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
      17 (17) Cincinnati Bengals (from OAK) Michael Brockers, DT, LSU
      18 (18) San Diego Chargers David DeCastro, G, Stanford
      19 (19) Chicago Bears Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
      20 (20) Tennessee Titans Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
      21 (21) Cincinnati Bengals Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
      22 (22) Cleveland Browns (from ATL) Cordy Glenn, OT, Georgia
      23 (23) Detroit Lions Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
      24 (24) Pittsburgh Steelers Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama
      25 (25) Denver Broncos Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State
      26 (26) Houston Texans Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
      27 (27) New England Patriots (from NOR) Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State
      28 (28) Green Bay Packers Whitney Mercilus, DE, Illinois
      29 (29) Baltimore Ravens Courtney Upshaw, DE, Alabama
      30 (30) San Francisco 49ers Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin
      31 (31) New England Patriots Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
      32 (32) New York Giants Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
      Round 2
      Pick (OVR) Team Player
      1 (33) St. Louis Rams Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
      2 (34) Indianapolis Colts Jeff Allen, OT/G, Illinois
      3 (35) Minnesota Vikings Devon Still, DT, Penn State
      4 (36) Tampa Bay Buccaneers David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech
      5 (37) Cleveland Browns Brandon Weeden, WR, Oklahoma State
      6 (38) Jacksonville Jaguars Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall
      7 (39) St. Louis Rams (from WAS) Rueben Randle, WR, LSU
      8 (40) Carolina Panthers Amini Silatolu, G, Midwestern State
      9 (41) Buffalo Bills Bobby Massie, OT, Mississippi State
      10 (42) Miami Dolphins Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
      11 (43) Seattle Seahawks Lavonte David, OLB, Nebraska
      12 (44) Kansas City Chiefs Peter Konz, C/G, Wisconsin
      13 (45) Dallas Cowboys Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
      14 (46) Philadelphia Eagles Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana
      15 (47) New York Jets Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
      16 (48) New England Patriots (from OAK) Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut
      17 (49) San Diego Chargers Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Washington
      18 (50) Chicago Bears Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina
      19 (51) Philadelphia Eagles (from ARI) Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State
      20 (52) Tennessee Titans Nick Perry, DE, USC
      21 (53) Cincinnati Bengals Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida
      22 (54) Detroit Lions Dwight Bentley, CB, La.-Lafayette
      23 (55) Atlanta Falcons Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati
      24 (56) Pittsburgh Steelers Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California
      25 (57) Denver Broncos Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona State
      26 (58) Houston Texans Andre Branch, DE, Clemson
      27 (59) Green Bay Packers Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
      28 (60) Baltimore Ravens Brandon Taylor, S, LSU
      29 (61) San Francisco 49ers Bruce Irvin, OLB, West Virginia
      30 (62) New England Patriots Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
      31 (63) New York Giants A.J. Jenkins, WR, Illinois
      Round 3
      Pick (OVR) Team Player
      1 (64) Indianapolis Colts Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson
      2 (65) St. Louis Rams Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina
      3 (66) Minnesota Vikings Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
      4 (67) Cleveland Browns Ty Hilton, WR, FIU
      5 (68) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jayron Hosley, CB, Virginia Tech
      6 (69) Washington Redskins Mychal Kendricks, ILB, California
      7 (70) Jacksonville Jaguars Kelechi Osemele, G, Iowa State
      8 (71) Buffalo Bills Nick Foles, QB, Arizona
      9 (72) Miami Dolphins Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida State
      10 (73) Miami Dolphins (from CAR through CHI) Ronnell Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
      11 (74) Kansas City Chiefs Bobby Wagner, ILB, Utah State
      12 (75) Seattle Seahawks Brandon Brooks, G, Miami (Ohio)
      13 (76) Houston Texans (from PHI) Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
      14 (77) New York Jets Trevor Guyton, DE, California
      15 (78) San Diego Chargers Lamichael James, RB, Oregon
      16 (79) Chicago Bears Jamell Fleming, CB, Oklahoma
      17 (80) Arizona Cardinals Olivier Vernon, DE, Miami
      18 (81) Dallas Cowboys Joe Adams, WR, Arkansas
      19 (82) Tennessee Titans Chris Givens, WR, Wake Forest
      20 (83) Cincinnati Bengals Markelle Martin, S, Oklahoma State
      21 (84) Atlanta Falcons Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
      22 (85) Detroit Lions Demario Davis, OLB, Arkansas State
      23 (86) Pittsburgh Steelers Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati
      24 (87) Denver Broncos Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
      25 (88) Philadelphia Eagles (from HOU) Chris Polk, RB, Washington
      26 (89) New Orleans Saints Mike Martin, DT, Michigan
      27 (90) Green Bay Packers Ron Brooks, CB, LSU
      28 (91) Baltimore Ravens Joe Looney, G, Wake Forest
      29 (92) San Francisco 49ers Tyrone Crawford, DE, Boise State
      30 (93) New England Patriots James Brown, G, Troy
      31 (94) New York Giants Robert Turbin, RB, Utah State
      32 (95) Oakland Raiders (compensatory) Cam Johnson, DE, Virginia
      Round 4
      Pick (OVR) Team Player
      1 (96) St. Louis Rams Mike Daniels, DT, Iowa
      2 (97) Indianapolis Colts Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
      3 (98) Minnesota Vikings Antonio Allen, S, South Carolina
      4 (99) Houston Texans (from TAM through PHI) Adam Gettis, G, Iowa
      5 (100) Cleveland Browns Nigel Bradham, OLB, Florida State
      6 (101) Jacksonville Jaguars Leonard Johnson, CB, Iowa State
      7 (102) Washington Redskins Michael Egnew, TE, Missouri
      8 (103) Miami Dolphins Jonathan Massaquoi, DE, Troy
      9 (104) Carolina Panthers Billy Winn, DT, Boise State
      10 (105) Buffalo Bills Taylor Thompson, DE, SMU
      11 (106) Seattle Seahawks Nick Toon, WR, Wisconsin
      12 (107) Kansas City Chiefs Tony Bergstrom, OT/G, Utah
      13 (108) Denver Broncos (from NYJ) Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple
      14 (109) Washington Redskins (from OAK) Brandon Mosley, OT, Auburn
      15 (110) San Diego Chargers Ben Jones, C, Georgia
      16 (111) Chicago Bears Brandon Hardin, S, Oregon State
      17 (112) Arizona Cardinals Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
      18 (113) Dallas Cowboys Akiem Hicks, DT, Regina (Canada)
      19 (114) Philadelphia Eagles George Iloka, S, Boise State
      20 (115) Tennessee Titans Miles Burris, OLB, San Diego State
      21 (116) Cincinnati Bengals Ladarius Green, TE, La.-Lafayette
      22 (117) Detroit Lions James-michael Johnson, ILB, Nevada
      23 (118) Cleveland Browns (from ATL) Sean Prater, CB, Iowa
      24 (119) Pittsburgh Steelers De'quan Menzie, CB, Alabama
      25 (120) Denver Broncos Keshawn Martin, WR, Michigan State
      26 (121) Houston Texans Markus Zusevics, OT, Iowa
      27 (122) New Orleans Saints Philip Blake, C, Baylor
      28 (123) Green Bay Packers Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin
      29 (124) Buffalo Bills (from BAL) Sean Spence, OLB, Miami
      30 (125) San Francisco 49ers Chase Minnifield, CB, Virginia
      31 (126) New England Patriots Edwin Baker, RB, Michigan State
      32 (127) New York Giants Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU
      33 (128) Minnesota Vikings (compensatory) Terrell Manning, OLB, N.C. State
      34 (129) Oakland Raiders (compensatory) Kyle Wilber, OLB, Wake Forest
      35 (130) Baltimore Ravens (compensatory) Danny Coale, WR, Virginia Tech
      36 (131) New York Giants (compensatory) Charles Mitchell, S, Mississippi
      37 (132) Green Bay Packers (compensatory) Jared Crick, DE, Nebraska
      38 (133) Green Bay Packers (compensatory) Phillip Thomas, S, Syracuse
      39 (134) Minnesota Vikings (compensatory) Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
      40 (135) Dallas Cowboys (compensatory) James Hanna, TE, Oklahoma
      Round 5
      Pick (OVR) Team Player
      1 (136) Indianapolis Colts Marvin Jones, WR, California
      2 (137) Denver Broncos (from STL) David Molk, C, Michigan
      3 (138) Minnesota Vikings Tom Compton, OT, South Dakota
      4 (139) Cleveland Browns Jake Bequette, DE, Arkansas
      5 (140) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tauren Poole, RB, Tennessee
      6 (141) Washington Redskins Ryan Steed, CB, Furman
      7 (142) Jacksonville Jaguars Tank Carder, OLB, TCU
      8 (143) Carolina Panthers Darius Fleming, OLB, Notre Dame
      9 (144) Buffalo Bills Justin Bethel, CB/S, Presbyterian
      10 (145) Miami Dolphins Kelcie Mccray, S, Arkansas State
      11 (146) Kansas City Chiefs Rhett Ellison, TE/FB, USC
      12 (147) Buffalo Bills (from SEA) Jarius Wright, WR, Arkansas
      13 (148) Oakland Raiders Asa Jackson, S, Cal-Poly
      14 (149) San Diego Chargers Trevin Wade, CB, Arizona
      15 (150) Chicago Bears Marvin Mcnutt, WR, Iowa
      16 (151) Arizona Cardinals Josh Chapman, DT, Alabama
      17 (152) Dallas Cowboys Senio Kelemete, G, Washington
      18 (153) Philadelphia Eagles Keenan Robinson, OLB, Texas
      19 (154) New York Jets Tommy Streeter, WR, Miami
      20 (155) Tennessee Titans Ronnie Hillman, RB, San Diego State
      21 (156) Cincinnati Bengals Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma
      22 (157) Atlanta Falcons Tj Graham, WR, NC State
      23 (158) Detroit Lions Jamie Blatnick, DE, Oklahoma State
      24 (159) Pittsburgh Steelers Brandon Washington, G, Miami
      25 (160) Cleveland Browns (from DEN) Dajohn Harris, DT, USC
      26 (161) Houston Texans Trent Robinson, S, Michigan State
      27 (162) New Orleans Saints Coty Sensabaugh, CB, Clemson
      28 (163) Green Bay Packers Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State
      29 (164) Baltimore Ravens Michael Smith, RB, Utah State
      30 (165) San Francisco 49ers Devier Posey, WR, Ohio State
      31 (166) Cincinnati Bengals (from NE) Travis Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
      32 (167) Cincinnati Bengals (from NYG) Andrew Tiller, G, Syracuse
      33 (168) Oakland Raiders (compensatory) Loni Fangupo, DT, BYU
      34 (169) Baltimore Ravens (compensatory) Malik Jackson, DE, Tennessee
      35 (170) Indianapolis Colts (compensatory) Lavon Brazill, WR, Ohio
      Round 6
      Pick (OVR) Team Player
      1 (171) St. Louis Rams Jaye Howard, DT, Florida
      2 (172) Philadelphia Eagles (from IND) Nate Potter, OT, Boise State
      3 (173) Washington Redskins (from MIN) Josh Leribeus, G, SMU
      4 (174) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Winston Guy, S, Kentucky
      5 (175) Minnesota Vikings (from CLE) Keith Tandy, CB, West Virginia
      6 (176) Jacksonville Jaguars Marcus Forston, DT, Miami
      7 (177) Arizona Cardinals (from WAS) Adrien Robinson, TE, Cincinnati
      8 (178) Buffalo Bills Audie Cole, ILB, NC State
      9 (179) New Orleans Saints (from MIA) Brett Roy, DE, Nevada
      10 (180) Carolina Panthers Rishard Matthews, WR, Nevada
      11 (181) Seattle Seahawks Eddie Pleasant, S, Oregon
      12 (182) Kansas City Chiefs Sean Richardson, S, Vanderbilt
      13 (183) San Diego Chargers Bryce Harris, OT, Fresno State
      14 (184) Chicago Bears Jeff Adams, OT, Columbia
      15 (185) Arizona Cardinals Robert Blanton, S, Notre Dame
      16 (186) Dallas Cowboys Chris Rainey, RB, Florida
      17 (187) New York Jets (from PHI through IND) Vick Ballard, RB, Mississippi State
      18 (188) Denver Broncos (from NYJ) Rennie Moore, DE, Clemson
      19 (189) Oakland Raiders Lucas Nix, G, Pittsburgh
      20 (190) Tennessee Titans Christian Thompson, CB, South Carolina State
      21 (191) Cincinnati Bengals Travis Benjamin, WR, Miami
      22 (192) Atlanta Falcons Josh Kaddu, OLB, Oregon
      23 (193) Pittsburgh Steelers Johnny Thomas, S, Oklahoma State
      24 (194) Philadelphia Eagles (from DEN) Devon Wylie, WR, Fresno State
      25 (195) Houston Texans Emmanuel Acho, ILB, Texas
      26 (196) Miami Dolphins (from N.O.) Pat Edwards, WR, Houston
      27 (197) Green Bay Packers Andrew Datko, OT, Florida State
      28 (198) Baltimore Ravens Janzen Jackson, S, McNeese State
      29 (199) San Francisco 49ers Juron Criner, WR, Arizona
      30 (200) Philadelphia Eagles (from N.E.) Ryan Miller, G, Colorado
      31 (201) New York Giants Vontaze Burfict, ILB, Arizona State
      32 (202) New York Jets (compensatory) Omar Bolden, CB, Arizona State
      33 (203) New York Jets (compensatory) Rokevious Watkins, G, South Carolina
      34 (204) Cleveland Browns (compensatory) Coryell Judie, Texas A&M
      35 (205) Cleveland Browns (compensatory) Antoine McClain, G, Clemson
      36 (206) Indianapolis Colts (compensatory) Evan Rodriguez, TE, Temple
      37 (207) Carolina Panthers (compensatory) Jack Crawford, DE, Penn State
      Round 7
      Pick (OVR) Team Player
      1 (208) Indianapolis Colts Deangelo Peterson, TE, LSU
      2 (209) St. Louis Rams Dwight Jones, WR, North Carolina
      3 (210) Minnesota Vikings Rishaw Johnson, G, California (Pa.)
      4 (211) Cleveland Browns B.J. Cunningham, WR, Michigan State
      5 (212) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Shawn Loiseau, ILB, Merrimack
      6 (213) Washington Redskins Terrance Ganaway, RB, Baylor
      7 (214) Indianapolis Colts (from JAC through NYJ) Kheeston Randall, DT, Texas
      8 (215) Miami Dolphins Jacquies Smith, G, Missouri
      9 (216) Carolina Panthers Aaron Henry, S, Wisconsin
      10 (217) Buffalo Bills Desmond Wynn, G, Rutgers
      11 (218) Kansas City Chiefs Cyrus Gray, RB, Texas A&M
      12 (219) Detroit Lions (from SEA) Dan Herron, RB, Ohio State
      13 (220) Chicago Bears Vaughn Meatoga, DT, Hawaii
      14 (221) Arizona Cardinals Derek Dimke, PK, Illinois
      15 (222) Dallas Cowboys Tim Fugger, OLB, Vanderbilt
      16 (223) Minnesota Vikings (from PHI through NE) Tyler Nielsen, OLB, Iowa
      17 (224) Green Bay Packers (from NYJ) Greg Childs, WR, Arkansas
      18 (225) Seattle Seahawks (from OAK) Najee Goode, ILB, West Virginia
      19 (226) San Diego Chargers Scott Solomon, DE, Rice
      20 (227) Tennessee Titans Bradley Sowell, OT, Mississippi
      21 (228) Jacksonville Jaguars (from CIN) William Vlachos, C, Alabama
      22 (229) Atlanta Falcons Cliff Harris, CB, Oregon
      23 (230) Detroit Lions Duke Ihenacho, S, San Jose State
      24 (231) Pittsburgh Steelers Marcel Jones, OT, Nebraska
      25 (232) New York Jets (from DEN) Brandon Marshall, LB, Nevada
      26 (233) Houston Texans Emil Igwenagu, FB, Massachusetts
      27 (234) New Orleans Saints Kellen Moore, QB, Boise State
      28 (235) Green Bay Packers Brandon Lindsey, OLB, Pittsburgh
      29 (236) Baltimore Ravens Ronald Leary, G, Memphis
      30 (237) San Francisco 49ers Brandon Bolden, RB, Mississippi
      31 (238) Kansas City Chiefs (from NE) Tony Dye, S, UCLA
      32 (239) New York Giants Deangelo Tyson, DE, Georgia
      33 (240) Pittsburgh Steelers (compensatory) Matt Conrath, DE, Virginia
      34 (241) Green Bay (compensatory) Chris Owusu, WR, Stanford
      35 (242) New York Jets (compensatory) George Bryan, TE, NC State
      36 (243) Green Bay Packers (compensatory) Davin Meggett, RB, Maryland
      37 (244) New York Jets (compensatory) Junior Hemingway, WR, Michigan
      38 (245) Cleveland Browns (compensatory) Markus Kuhn, DT, NC State
      39 (246) Pittsburgh Steelers (compensatory) Jermaine Kearse, WR, Washington
      40 (247) Cleveland Browns (compensatory) Bradie Ewing, FB, Wisconsin
      41 (248) Pittsburgh Steelers (compensatory) Kevin Koger, TE, Michigan
      42 (249) Atlanta Falcons (compensatory) Jonas Gray, RB, Notre Dame
      43 (250) San Diego Chargers (compensatory) Donnie Fletcher, CB, Boston College
      44 (251) Buffalo Bills (compensatory) Jordan White, WR, Western Michigan
      45 (252) St. Louis Rams Drew Butler, PT, Georgia
      46 (253) Indianapolis Colts Caleb McSurdy, ILB, Montana
      Why so SERIOUS


      • #4
        Re: Mock Draft 5.0 Request

        2 (34) Indianapolis Colts Jeff Allen, OT/G, Illinois
        I saw Polian on Sportscenter earlier today on a panel discussing the Colts draft. He didn't seem to like this pick. He argued that you could get guards in the 4th round and below. But did any of the guards he drafted late ever pan out? He needs to look at his own track record of drafting guards. You would think he would realize it wasn't working if every year we were addressing the same need.


        • #5
          Re: Mock Draft 5.0 Request

          Originally posted by Strummer View Post
          I saw Polian on Sportscenter earlier today on a panel discussing the Colts draft. He didn't seem to like this pick. He argued that you could get guards in the 4th round and below. But did any of the guards he drafted late ever pan out? He needs to look at his own track record of drafting guards. You would think he would realize it wasn't working if every year we were addressing the same need.
          His track record of drafting them early was not too spectacular either, I think he just is not good in this area.

          I do think the Allen kid has a chance to be a top NFL lineman though if he can get his footwork together, from what I have heard, I would not be to sad about the pick not sexy at all but if you have a strong line then you really open up your offense both running and passing.
          Why so SERIOUS


          • #6
            Re: Mock Draft 5.0 Request

            Originally posted by Really? View Post
            His track record of drafting them early was not too spectacular either, I think he just is not good in this area.

            I do think the Allen kid has a chance to be a top NFL lineman though if he can get his footwork together, from what I have heard, I would not be to sad about the pick not sexy at all but if you have a strong line then you really open up your offense both running and passing.
            Boring pick IMO but your right we have to have a stong line. My fear is that Luck will see 8 in box and check into a pass play only to have no one open. Like it or not I think Wayne is no longer a guy you can count on to get open agianst most DB's anymore.

            Do you trade up to get get Fleener if he's only 3 picks away?


            • #7
              Re: Mock Draft 5.0 Request

              Originally posted by Really? View Post
              Full mock he put up today, enjoy.
              you're a sweetie


              • #8
                Re: Mock Draft 5.0 Request

                Honestly, I won't care if we go O-line all 7 rounds. You gotta keep Luck safe, period.


                • #9
                  Re: Mock Draft 5.0 Request

                  man i really want Fleener and Luck together


                  • #10
                    Re: Mock Draft 5.0 Request

                    Originally posted by PacerPenguins View Post
                    man i really want Fleener and Luck together
                    Why ?

                    i wont be shattered if we dont get fleener id rather Janoris Jenkins at 34 if he is there
                    Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.


                    • #11
                      Re: Mock Draft 5.0 Request

                      Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
                      Why ?

                      i wont be shattered if we dont get fleener id rather Janoris Jenkins at 34 if he is there
                      Jenkins has more baggage than most airliners. No way would I take him over fleener.


                      • #12
                        Re: Mock Draft 5.0 Request

                        Ya Jenkins is incarceration waiting to happen.

                        I too would be interested in Fleener... for whatever reason, I feel like getting Luck a good TE that he trusts would be huge for this team and for Luck's development. TE play was so crucial to Indy over the past decade, as well as Stanford during Luck's tenure. They have us selecting a TE in the 7th round....
                        Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 04-25-2012, 10:59 PM.
                        There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.


                        • #13
                          Re: Mock Draft 5.0 Request

                          Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                          They have us selecting a TE in the 7th round....
                          And also in the 6th round.

                          Round 6
                          Pick (OVR) Team Player
                          36 (206) Indianapolis Colts (compensatory) Evan Rodriguez, TE, Temple

                          Round 7
                          Pick (OVR) Team Player
                          1 (208) Indianapolis Colts Deangelo Peterson, TE, LSU


                          • #14
                            Re: Mock Draft 5.0 Request

                            Ladarius Green is the tight end i want
                            Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.


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                              Re: Mock Draft 5.0 Request

                              Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                              Boring pick IMO but your right we have to have a stong line. My fear is that Luck will see 8 in box and check into a pass play only to have no one open. Like it or not I think Wayne is no longer a guy you can count on to get open agianst most DB's anymore.

                              Do you trade up to get get Fleener if he's only 3 picks away?
                              I don't I think it would probably cost a 4th to trade up 3 spots to get him, and there should still be good value left in the TE market later, a lot of them will be misses, but hopefully we get the one that is a hit, and the 4th round pick should still have decent value in this draft I think.

                              Also, Wayne won't burn anyone, but he still can create separation, on a lot of routes and bring in passes, his hands are still there, and with Luck passing, he should have a lot of nice placed balls to bring in, but yeah ya never now until the season starts. Hopefully he still has it this season.
                              Why so SERIOUS