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  • Looks like the "Fire Jim Caldwell" movement may have a backer

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/j...ell-not-101811


    2. Amateur hour

    I’ll just go ahead and write it: Jim Caldwell should be the ex-coach of the Colts when the season is over.

    I take no pleasure in writing that. Caldwell is one of the most decent people you will ever meet. And it isn’t his fault the organization was ill-prepared for 2011 and Peyton Manning’s health. But Caldwell is a bad head coach.

    What are his skills? Why should he stay on in Indy? If you disagree with my take, enlighten me on his strengths. His in-game management has always been suspect, starting with his disastrous and goofy clock management at the end of the playoff loss to the Jets last year that had Manning shaking his head from the sidelines.

    He is supposed to be an offensive coach and a quarterback guru. Have we seen that? His winless team has appeared flat and uninterested. Sure, the team was built around one iconic star player. But this commentary dates back to all three years now on Caldwell. He took Tony Dungy’s team to the Super Bowl. Caldwell removed his starters in Week 16 of that year to get his team ready for the playoffs and eschew perfection.

    Bill Belichick won double-digit games when he lost Tom Brady for the year in Week 1. Caldwell’s 2011 Colts are a legit candidate to lose every single game. That’s coaching.

    Caldwell made sense, despite his awful showing as a college head coach, because when you employ Manning, continuity is key. Dungy wanted Caldwell to replace him. The great Bill Polian wanted someone to nod. It all seemed logical, three years ago. It was the right appointment.

    The Colts now need to look into the crystal ball. Is Caldwell the right man to usher in a new quarterback, maybe even Andrew Luck? Is he the right person to tell Manning that his time is up? Is he the right person to inspire and pick a system for the post-Peyton Colts?

    The 2012 Colts need a fresh voice. Change is inevitable by 2013. Be proactive, improve the head coach and do it at the end of the year. It will be the best thing to happen to the franchise.

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    Re: Looks like the "Fire Jim Caldwell" movement may have a backer

    I agree Caldwell is a bad head coach. The team he inherited from Dungy was very much capable of winning the super bowl however we came up short and have gone down hill from there. We can put blame on the O Line, weak D..etc but it starts at the top i think.

    Should Manning not come back at the same caliber he once was, which i doubt he will. Then sure let him get and lets start the rebuilding process... I think then and only then should we think about making a change at the head coach position. Then go from there.
    Last edited by aero; 10-19-2011, 10:51 PM.
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      Re: Looks like the "Fire Jim Caldwell" movement may have a backer

      Couldn't agree more

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        Re: Looks like the "Fire Jim Caldwell" movement may have a backer

        He is either a very bad head coach, or he is simply "Luck"y.

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          Re: Looks like the "Fire Jim Caldwell" movement may have a backer

          My friends and I have started a Jim Caldwell inspired drinking game. The rules are simple:

          1. Every time Caldwell's lips are not firmly pressed together, take a sip.

          2. Every time you see Caldwell actually speak a word to someone on the sideline, take a chug.

          3. Save a ton of money as a 6 pack will last an entire season!

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            Re: Looks like the "Fire Jim Caldwell" movement may have a backer

            Originally posted by Wage View Post
            My friends and I have started a Jim Caldwell inspired drinking game. The rules are simple:

            1. Every time Caldwell's lips are not firmly pressed together, take a sip.

            2. Every time you see Caldwell actually speak a word to someone on the sideline, take a chug.

            3. Save a ton of money as a 6 pack will last an entire season!
            Saving money is good, but doesn't sound like a very fun game.

            Fire the coaching staff, hire all new. I'm still on the Fisher wagon. Or some defensive minded coach that doesn't insist on using a vanilla cover 2.
            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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              Re: Looks like the "Fire Jim Caldwell" movement may have a backer

              Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
              Saving money is good, but doesn't sound like a very fun game.

              Fire the coaching staff, hire all new. I'm still on the Fisher wagon. Or some defensive minded coach that doesn't insist on using a vanilla cover 2.
              You can't fire the coaching staff without ousting the Polians because Caldwell may be history but the Polians will just hire someone like him (easy to control)

              The problems are deeper than coaching with this team.

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                Re: Looks like the "Fire Jim Caldwell" movement may have a backer

                Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                You can't fire the coaching staff without ousting the Polians because Caldwell may be history but the Polians will just hire someone like him (easy to control)

                The problems are deeper than coaching with this team.
                Right too many Polians so that's just one voice. i don't know where a father-son situation in sports has ever worked out.

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                  Re: Looks like the "Fire Jim Caldwell" movement may have a backer

                  If there was a Caldwell bobble-head, it wouldn't move.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Looks like the "Fire Jim Caldwell" movement may have a backer

                    Honestly, I'm surprised he is still employed.

                    Exit stage left Jim. Now!

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                      Re: Looks like the "Fire Jim Caldwell" movement may have a backer

                      Mike Ditka on Mike and Mike had some interesting comments. Paraphrasing, he said that if you look at how this Colts team is constructed, there are a lot of bricks that are missing or in the wrong place. Nothing fits together and it had to fall apart.

                      He then said something about how players ought to be motivated by pride, if nothing else, to not let something like that happen.

                      Two comments that seem to aim first at Polian, then at Caldwell and the players.
                      The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                        Re: Looks like the "Fire Jim Caldwell" movement may have a backer

                        Honestly, it looks like the team is backing the Fire Jim Caldwell movement. Pro teams don't lose by 55 points unless they want to.


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                          Re: Looks like the "Fire Jim Caldwell" movement may have a backer

                          Well his replacement is sitting in the replay booth. Go ahead and give the job to Tressel.
                          You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                            Re: Looks like the "Fire Jim Caldwell" movement may have a backer

                            Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                            Well his replacement is sitting in the replay booth. Go ahead and give the job to Tressel.
                            You ARE joking - right ??

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                              Re: Looks like the "Fire Jim Caldwell" movement may have a backer

                              I wouldn't mind Tressel. I don't think he would be a Polian lapdog.

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