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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Brady: Colts Cheated

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  • #16
    Re: Brady: Colts Cheated

    Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
    What is more ironic is that it is not just members who are acting this way, but now moderators and administrators.

    I loved PD when I first found it because I felt like all point of views were encouraged. It is a shame this is no longer the case.
    I suppose this is directed at me. All points of view are encouraged. I just didn't think the thread title matched the article's content. (a pet peeve of mine) That is my point of view. Anyone else is encouraged to offer a different point of view.

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    • #17
      Re: Brady: Colts Cheated

      I thought that moderators frequently changed thread titles that they consider misleading? Your (our) opinion seems to be widely shared.
      Last edited by Slick Pinkham; 11-23-2010, 02:53 PM.
      The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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      • #18
        Re: Brady: Colts Cheated

        I've always wondered why this isn't something that isn't just "part of the game." First, how are the refs supposed to be able to catch this with any consistency? And if the O can't tell the difference between their actual snap count and a D lineman attempting to trick them. . . why isn't that on them?

        Is there a good football reason for this rule, other than the NFL's tendency to favor offenses? I feel the same way about the "the D-lineman caused the O-lineman to jump offsides" rule. Is there a good reason for them, or are they in place because teams would score much fewer points w/o them?

        btw, I'm just talking in general. I don't agree w/ the Colts doing it when it's against the rules and I agree that the thread title is misleading. Let's not go down that road.
        You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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        • #19
          Re: Brady: Colts Cheated

          Brady was right-- Colts cheater caught red-handed:

          http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl-294225
          The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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          • #20
            Re: Brady: Colts Cheated

            Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
            Brady was right-- Colts cheater caught red-handed:

            http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl-294225
            Personally I'll take a 15 yard "cheating" penalty over Spy Gate...call me a homer, I don't really care.

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            • #21
              Re: Brady: Colts Cheated

              Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
              Was it a silly thread title? Sure.


              This thread, however, proves how this place has gone from an online community that encourages sports talk to a place where people jump down your throat for anything and everything. It is not just this thread, but this is the latest example that I have seen.


              What is more ironic is that it is not just members who are acting this way, but now moderators and administrators.


              I loved PD when I first found it because I felt like all point of views were encouraged. It is a shame this is no longer the case.
              All I have to say to this is:

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              • #22
                Re: Brady: Colts Cheated

                Originally posted by Flibertygibits View Post
                Personally I'll take a 15 yard "cheating" penalty over Spy Gate...call me a homer, I don't really care.
                Well, there's also the lack of a $500k fine that sets the two apart. Other than that though the two situations are completely identical!

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                • #23
                  Re: Brady: Colts Cheated

                  I've never understood why simulating the count is a penalty. Should be allowed 100%.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Brady: Colts Cheated

                    Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                    Brady was right-- Colts cheater caught red-handed:

                    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl-294225
                    You know what I find incredibly cheesy is when a person has to repost something but act like its the first time they posted something to make a point.

                    Seriously, I don't know why you have to defend a pathetic player like spikes and act like coach belichick hasn't defined cheating in the modern era of football.

                    Why don't you post about how we use to pipe noise into our stadium.
                    Last edited by Gamble1; 12-18-2010, 10:29 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Brady: Colts Cheated

                      Really, LOL
                      I know that there are only 2 reasons why a phd chooses to do teaching or industry.

                      Its not because they are bright in either. Show me what you have published on any of those drugs listed on the NFL banned list.

                      I am not fooled by labels.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Brady: Colts Cheated

                        Gamble1, what do any of your trolling posts have to do with the thread topic? You are just engaging in personal attacks. Can a moderator chime in on why such behavior is allowed?

                        I don't need to discuss my resume with you or anyone else on this forum, thank you.
                        The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                        • #27
                          Re: Brady: Colts Cheated

                          Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                          Gamble1, what do any of your trolling posts have to do with the thread topic? You are just engaging in personal attacks. Can a moderator chime in on why such behavior is allowed?

                          I don't need to discuss my resume with you or anyone else on this forum, thank you.
                          I am sorry. I am just the idiot right. Double standard...

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                          • #28
                            Re: Brady: Colts Cheated

                            Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                            Really, LOL
                            I know that there are only 2 reasons why a phd chooses to do teaching or industry.
                            Enlighten me with your wisdom, please, about the two and only two valid reasons why I or anyone else would pursue a career in academic or industrial research.
                            The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                            • #29
                              Re: Brady: Colts Cheated

                              Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                              Enlighten me with your wisdom, please, about the two and only two valid reasons why I or anyone else would pursue a career in academic or industrial research.
                              Lol,

                              Anyone who has spent time doing research can tell you.

                              Industry pays and teaching doesn't. Teaching is for people who either love it or are forced to do it. True academic researchers do not teach. They are not forced to do it because they generate enough funds for the university not to do it ie grants. You find very few people who go from industry to real academic research which is why i think you teach and do research on the side.

                              So this brings us to the conclusion. We all call out experts in sports. Coaches are criticized here all the time so what makes us any different.

                              Are you really an expert in PEDs? I am not but I won't defend a guy who is caught doing a banned drug. I also won't act like the colts are above cheating but some here will. Of course i am not on a pats forum posting all this crap.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Brady: Colts Cheated

                                Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                                True academic researchers do not teach.
                                False. Even nobel laurates at my institution teach. Certainly younger faculty carry a heavier teaching load, but plenty of top-notch world famous researchers teach on a regular basis.

                                You find very few people who go from industry to real academic research
                                False again. In the last 10 years the pharmaceutical industry in particular, and other science-based industries have undergone tremendous consolidation, layoffs, restructuring, and brain drain. Nearly every major university and research institution I know of has faculty who left industry.

                                i think you teach and do research on the side
                                Wrong again. My teaching commitment is rather light and I focus most of my efforts on research grants. I am an investigator on 4 funded grants currently, with others in review.

                                Are you really an expert in PEDs?
                                Compared to some other chemists, biologists, or MDs, no. Relative to the general public, perhaps yes.

                                I won't defend a guy who is caught doing a banned drug.
                                Neither will I. Spikes was incredibly stupid to not go through proper channels and I have never defended him at all for failing to doing so.

                                In this thread I ponted out time and again that it is stupid to characterize what the Colts did with the simulating the snap as cheating and wanted the thread title changed. Still, many insisted and also thought it was idiotic for Brady to be upset about it. After the Colts were penalized in another game for exactly the same infraction, I pointed it out. I had never posted any link to this second unfraction until in this thread, and again you falsely accused otherwise.

                                So basically everything you have recently posted that has been directed at me has been factually inaccurate.
                                The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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