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Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

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  • #16
    Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

    I have seen the story, they just showed it on E a few days ago, about the two girls from Toledo who were kinapped and used as prostitutes just like what they are saying this young girl was used for. It's really sad.

    I just hope that justice is served and if LT did anything he isn't let go free.

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    • #17
      Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

      one newspaper ran an odd file photo with this story:

      The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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      • #18
        Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

        I just read that one of the accuser's friends has signed a sworn statement that the accuser did NOT have sex with Lawrence Taylor, and that this statement will create reasonable doubt.
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        • #19
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          That has to be photoshopped! Still funny though.
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          • #20
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            http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/13/lawren...-hall-of-fame/



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            Lawrence Taylor just pled guilty to two misdemeanor charges as part of one helluva plea deal in his statutory rape case -- and will get off with no jail time but will have to register as a sex offender.


            The NFL Hall of Famer was in court in Rockland County, NY ... and pled guilty to one count of patronizing a prostitute and one count of sexual misconduct -- all stemming from his arrest last May for having sex with a 16-year-old girl.

            Taylor was originally charged with a felony ... and could have gotten 4 years in prison. Instead he'll get probation -- but as part of the plea deal he has to register as a sex offender.

            Taylor has homes in Florida and New Jersey.

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            • #21
              Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

              Disgusting...

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              • #22
                Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

                According to ESPN, the sex offender registration isn't even set in stone -- it will be determined sometime later this year in a seperate hearing.

                And I agree that it is disgusting that he is getting off so easy.

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                • #23
                  Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

                  Originally posted by spreedom View Post
                  And I agree that it is disgusting that he is getting off so easy.
                  Oh so tempted.


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                  • #24
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                    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/22...r-designation/

                    Former Giants Star Taylor to Get Sex-Offender Designation

                    Published March 22, 2011
                    | Associated Press
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                    May 6: Former New York Giants linebacker and Pro Football Hall of Famer Lawrence Taylor, left, and his attorney, Arthur Aidala, listen to proceedings during Taylor's arraignment at Ramapo Town Court in Suffern, N.Y. (AP)
                    NEW CITY, N.Y. -- Former New York Giants football star Lawrence Taylor is about to learn the details of life as a registered sex offender.

                    The 52-year-old ex-linebacker pleaded guilty in January to sexual misconduct and patronizing a 16-year-old prostitute. Under the deal, he isn't expected to get jail time -- six years' probation is likely -- but he has to register as a sex offender.

                    Taylor is due in court Tuesday for formal sentencing, and the judge said he would also determine which sex-offender level to assign to Taylor.

                    Sex offenders are labeled Level 1, 2 or 3 for low, medium or high risk. A state spokesman says the most obvious difference is that Level 1 offenders do not have their names and photos posted on a public Internet site.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

                      Come on people, it's not like the man is a pedophile. He didn't go and seek out someone he knew was under-age to have sex with them.

                      My understanding is he picked up a prostitute who happened to be under-age. Could have happened to anyone.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

                        Heh, when I initially looked at the thread title, all I could think was, "Again?"

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                        • #27
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                          http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/n...ory?id=6249691

                          Lawrence Taylor reacts to sentenceEmail Print Comments318 ESPNNewYork.com

                          During an interview after he was sentenced to six years' probation on Tuesday, Lawrence Taylor made no apologies for visiting a prostitute.

                          Speaking to Shepard Smith on Fox, Taylor did say that he did not look for an underage girl. The victim in the case was 16 at the time of the incident last May. In January, he pleaded guilty to sexual misconduct and patronizing a prostitute to avoid jail time.


                          [+] EnlargeMike Coppola/Getty Images
                          Lawrence Taylor leaves Rockland County Courthouse on Tuesday after his sentencing. He did not speak in court but later lashed out in a TV interview.
                          "That's not my M.O. I've been around kids and people all my life," said Taylor, a former New York Giants Hall of Fame linebacker. "I'm not the cause of prostitution. And sometimes I make mistakes and I may go out there, but I didn't pick her up at no playground. She wasn't hiding behind the school bus or getting off a school bus. This is a working girl that came to my room. And I don't know what her age was. I asked her age. She told me she was 19. It is what it is."

                          Taylor blamed the institution of prostitution for the fact that he ended up with an underage girl.

                          "It's the world of prostitution," he said to Fox. "You never know what you're gonna get. Is it gonna be a pretty girl, an ugly girl or whatever it's gonna be."

                          Or a young girl? Shepard asked.

                          "You can only ask," Taylor said. "I don't card them. I don't ask for birth certificate."

                          Taylor said he had "no beef" with the girl.

                          "I'll take my punishment like I should, but my problem is at home with my wife, so that's really the only one I have to answer to," he said.

                          How did he get in this situation in the first place?

                          "It happens sometimes," Taylor said. "I'd been on the road 10 or 11 days and I came in to town. Actually, I made a phone call to a friend of mine, and he made a phone call."

                          Taylor said he has used the services of prostitutes in the past, especially between 1994 and 2001 when he was not married.

                          "I'm not looking for a relationship. Hey, sometimes I look for some company," Taylor said. "It's all clean. I don't have to worry about your feelings. It's all clean. I'm not saying it's right. It's the oldest profession in the world."

                          But right or wrong, Taylor appears to not consider prostitution a serious crime.

                          "I guess you call it a crime," he said. "It's one of those crimes you don't think about. You never think you're gonna get busted because everyone does it until you get busted, and then it's more embarrassing than anything else."

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                          • #28
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                            http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/29/rashee...omments-anchor

                            LT Pimp Pleads Guilty to Sex Trafficking
                            3/29/2011 3:00 PM PDT by TMZ Staff


                            One week after Lawrence Taylor escaped jail time ... the pimp who set him up with a 16-year-old prostitute is pleading guilty to one count of sex trafficking for profit.



                            Rasheed Davis (left) struck the deal and entered his plea today in Manhattan Federal Court. We don't know terms of the deal, but maximum sentence for the crime is 30 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

                            Davis' sentencing is scheduled for August. He's currently being held in federal custody.

                            Last week Taylor got six years probation for sexual misconduct and patronizing a prostitute.

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                            • #29
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                              http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/10/lawren...omments-anchor

                              Celebrity Justice8/10/2011 1:00 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF.Lawrence Taylor
                              Underage Prostitute Furious
                              Claims LT Should Be JAILED

                              Lawrence Taylor's underage prostitute says she's "appalled" the NFL legend wasn't thrown behind bars after he plead guilty to soliciting sex with her last year.

                              18-year-old Christina Fierro -- repped by Gloria Allred -- spoke out today during a news conference in New York before her former pimp Rasheed Davis was set to be sentenced for sex trafficking.

                              But Fierro and Allred expressed their outrage with prosecutors over the LT case -- claiming he "should have been sentenced to jail time ... not probation ... for the crimes he committed."

                              LT was sentenced to 6 years probation after pleading guilty to sexual misconduct and soliciting a prostitute.

                              Allred claims LT's sentence "sends the wrong message to the buyers who provide the profit to commercial sex traffickers who sell the bodies of children for sex."


                              4:48 PM: Rasheed Davis was sentenced to 7 years in prison in New York. Earlier in the day, Allred told us she was hoping the judge would sentence Davis to 10 years

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                              • #30
                                Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

                                I got as far as "Gloria Allred" and immediately stopped. What a waste of skin.
                                Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right. ― Ricky Gervais.

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