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  • Ty Warren foregoes 250K to go back to school

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,228245

    Ty Warren took those "Never stop learning" commercials to heart

    By MJD

    Ty Warren(notes), defensive lineman for the New England Patriots, will be skipping the first round of his team's voluntary offseason workouts. He's got a pretty good reason, though. He's going back to Texas A&M to finally get a degree in his pocket.

    It becomes an even better reason when you listen to him explain why he's doing it, too. It's all about sending the right message to his three kids.

    "I try to put the kids in the best educational system possible and I think there is something to be said for their father, who has been blessed to play in the NFL and do something he's loved to do, going back and finishing what he started. In the big picture, I think it's important for me to do what I'm doing. I can sacrifice that bonus for that."

    Oh yeah, that bonus he's talking about? It's a quarter of a million dollars. He'll be giving that up, too, all in the name of sending the message to his kids that education is important.

    ESPNBoston.com's Mike Reiss talked to Warren about his decision to make education his top offseason priority, and it's hard to read it and not come out thinking, "Ty Warren seems like a pretty good guy." And lest you think he's somehow shorting his team by not going to the offseason workouts, I wouldn't worry about that, either.

    "Working out has never been a problem of mine, I do it regardless. I'm self-motivated," he said. "I've always been a working person. Ask anyone who knows me, I've been working and supporting my two siblings and now my own family since I was 13. No matter how much I have in the bank account, I'll always work."

    I can't imagine the Patriots would have much of a problem with this, either. Warren's a veteran player, one of the anchors on the Patriots defense, and has never been known as someone to slack off.

    If anything, this decision is just more evidence of that.

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    Re: Ty Warren foregoes 250K to go back to school

    So which is smarter:
    Go back and get that degree or go to workouts and collect that $275,000.00 bonus and invest it wisely?
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

    ------

    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

    -John Wooden

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      Re: Ty Warren foregoes 250K to go back to school

      There is a TON of research that shows that on average, college degreed people earn $1 million more over their lifetimes than non degreed people. That's nothing to Ty Warren. But if this inspires each of his three kids to head to college and graduate, that's $3 million extra they will earn. When they start planning for their own retirement, they will have more flexibility and money to do it. And if his kids instill the same value in their kids, they earn degrees, and repeat the cycle when they plan for retirement, suddenly the collective lifetime earnings jump exponentially to a number that you could never turn that $275k bonus into no matter how wisely you invested it.
      Last edited by travmil; 03-17-2010, 08:03 AM.

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        Re: Ty Warren foregoes 250K to go back to school

        Originally posted by Bball View Post
        So which is smarter:
        Go back and get that degree or go to workouts and collect that $275,000.00 bonus and invest it wisely?
        Smarter? Degree.
        Worth more money? 275K
        Worth more to yourself? Degree

        I applaud his decision. If I was in Mr. Kraft's position, I would make a 275K donation in Mr. Warren's name to some higher education fund.
        “Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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          Re: Ty Warren foregoes 250K to go back to school

          Originally posted by Since86 View Post
          Smarter? Degree.
          Worth more money? 275K
          Worth more to yourself? Degree

          I applaud his decision. If I was in Mr. Kraft's position, I would make a 275K donation in Mr. Warren's name to some higher education fund.
          I agree 100,000%

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            Re: Ty Warren foregoes 250K to go back to school

            Originally posted by travmil View Post
            There is a TON of research that shows that on average, college degreed people earn $1 million more over their lifetimes than non degreed people. That's nothing to Ty Warren. But if this inspires each of his three kids to head to college and graduate, that's $3 million extra they will earn. When they start planning for their own retirement, they will have more flexibility and money to do it. And if his kids instill the same value in their kids, they earn degrees, and repeat the cycle when they plan for retirement, suddenly the collective lifetime earnings jump exponentially to a number that you could never turn that $275k bonus into no matter how wisely you invested it.


            I can honestly say that's crap in this economy and I have two degrees

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              Re: Ty Warren foregoes 250K to go back to school

              You're making the assumption that the economy will stay the same forever.

              Without getting too political, it's widely accepted that economies are cyclical. We will start rising again. Soon, I hope.
              “Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                Re: Ty Warren foregoes 250K to go back to school

                Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                You're making the assumption that the economy will stay the same forever.

                Without getting too political, it's widely accepted that economies are cyclical. We will start rising again. Soon, I hope.
                You and me both!

                Though I did just get a call to interview with Disney World today

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                  Re: Ty Warren foregoes 250K to go back to school

                  Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                  You're making the assumption that the economy will stay the same forever.

                  Without getting too political, it's widely accepted that economies are cyclical. We will start rising again. Soon, I hope.

                  That's what I said in "THIS" economy.

                  But given that I have an MBA I should have gotten something better than the temp work I am doing as well as the tax preparer gig I have on the side.

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                    Re: Ty Warren foregoes 250K to go back to school

                    Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                    I can honestly say that's crap in this economy and I have two degrees
                    Just because it didn't work out for you doesn't mean it doesn't work out for anyone. My wife makes more money than me despite having 7 fewer years of work experience. The difference is that she got a degree. She's already passed me in lifetime earnings and I've been working full time for 15 years to her 8, and she was even laid off for 6 months two different times for a total of a year and still did that. Of course she majored in Physics and has a job as an engineer so she actuallyearned desirable and marketable skills. I always love hearing the people that say I have two degrees and complain that they can't get a job In their field or make any money. Most of the time when you ask what the degrees are in they will say art and philosophy. What are yours?
                    Last edited by travmil; 03-19-2010, 02:50 PM.

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                      Re: Ty Warren foregoes 250K to go back to school

                      Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                      That's what I said in "THIS" economy.

                      But given that I have an MBA I should have gotten something better than the temp work I am doing as well as the tax preparer gig I have on the side.
                      You presented the statement like the statistic of making $1mil more over a life time with a college degree compared to a HS diploma wasn't ever going to happen again.

                      My point is that just because it is crap in THIS economy, doesn't mean it will be crap in 5years.
                      “Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                        Re: Ty Warren foregoes 250K to go back to school

                        Originally posted by travmil View Post
                        I always love hearing the people that say I have two degrees and complain that they can't get a job In their field or make any money. Most of the time when you ask what the degrees are in they will say art and philosophy. What are yours?
                        Ugh. Yeah, shame on them for using their time at college to develop as a person and as an intellectual, rather than majoring in the first thing with marketable skills. It is exactly this mentality that is turning our educational system into such a steaming pile of ****.
                        You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Ty Warren foregoes 250K to go back to school

                          It's nice to go to school and develop as a person. But when you can't f
                          get someone to pay you as much (or at all) to be a philosopher as you can to be an engineer you shouldn't complain. The people that take those majors know the deal going in, or at least if they don't they should. If you truly love that field you should do it. But don't pretend anyone owes you a paycheck for it.

                          The point still stands. On AVERAGE, degreed people earn way more over their lifetime.
                          Last edited by travmil; 03-19-2010, 03:32 PM.

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                            Re: Ty Warren foregoes 250K to go back to school

                            Originally posted by travmil View Post
                            Just because it didn't work out for you doesn't mean it doesn't work out for anyone. My wife makes more money than me despite having 7 fewer years of work experience. The difference is that she got a degree. She's already passed me in lifetime earnings and I've been working full time for 15 years to her 8, and she was even laid off for 6 months two different times for a total of a year and still did that. Of course she majored in Physics and has a job as an engineer so she actuallyearned desirable and marketable skills. I always love hearing the people that say I have two degrees and complain that they can't get a job In their field or make any money. Most of the time when you ask what the degrees are in they will say art and philosophy. What are yours?

                            Psychology and Health Care Management

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                              Re: Ty Warren foregoes 250K to go back to school

                              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                              You presented the statement like the statistic of making $1mil more over a life time with a college degree compared to a HS diploma wasn't ever going to happen again.

                              My point is that just because it is crap in THIS economy, doesn't mean it will be crap in 5years.

                              No you just assumed that all I said "I can honestly say in this economy that's crap"

                              It really doesn't matter how much education you have they want to find someone with the most experience at the cheapest price. And that's fair game on their part but when you have the education to do the job but nobody gives you a chance at gaining that experience even on an entry level then sometimes you wonder what was the point. Especially where a lot of places can't afford to train etc.

                              That being said in Warren's case he's fortunate that he's earned a lot of $$$ playing in the NFL and I'm sure has invested wisely that he has the luxury to get this backup plan. He could get hired anywhere because of his name.

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