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Baltimore vs. Indianapolis Colts (from the Addai thread)

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  • Baltimore vs. Indianapolis Colts (from the Addai thread)

    Originally posted by RWB View Post
    The trash talk does make things interesting. Hopefully Ray will be checked for weapons before he enters the stadium. Sounds like the Ravens have a little bit of that Jacksonville chip on their shoulder. Doesn't make sense, since they did get a ring. I believe it comes back to jealousy in not getting those endorsement dollars like #18.
    I guess that must be it. I mean, I don't understand how people can hate the Colts otherwise. They're nice, classy, and don't really say much. But whatever, let them be angry. We'll just go in as we always do and take care of business. Hopefully with a win.
    Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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    Re: Ravens promise to punish Addai

    Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
    I guess that must be it. I mean, I don't understand how people can hate the Colts otherwise. They're nice, classy, and don't really say much.
    They're also the team that one night, Baltimore residents went to sleep with a football team, the next morning they woke up and that team was in Indianapolis.

    Not literally, but pretty close.

    I can see why Baltimore residents would be just foaming at the mouth over this. Some of that may have spilled over to the team.

    Of course the Ravens have a title and the Colts haven't in that time but I imagine they still don't think what Irsay did was a favor.
    The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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      Re: Ravens promise to punish Addai

      Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
      I guess that must be it. I mean, I don't understand how people can hate the Colts otherwise. They're nice, classy, and don't really say much.
      Well, there are 31 other teams out there...

      But you seem to want an explanation...

      For old-timers, associating the word "classy" with a team owned by the Irsay family is just hard to do. I'm sure Jim is classier than Bob - all he did was "threaten" to move the team, he didn't actually do it. I'm sure the players are classy, but in the grand scheme of things I'm not interested in paying enough attention to an Irsay-owned team to know if the players are classy or not. I doubt that I'm alone on that.
      Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
      Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
      And life itself, rushing over me
      Life itself, the wind in black elms,
      Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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        Re: Ravens promise to punish Addai

        Originally posted by Jay@Section19 View Post
        Well, there are 31 other teams out there...

        But you seem to want an explanation...

        For old-timers, associating the word "classy" with a team owned by the Irsay family is just hard to do. I'm sure Jim is classier than Bob - all he did was "threaten" to move the team, he didn't actually do it. I'm sure the players are classy, but in the grand scheme of things I'm not interested in paying enough attention to an Irsay-owned team to know if the players are classy or not. I doubt that I'm alone on that.
        Gee Jay - it wasn't that long ago our Pacers were considered classy.
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          Re: Ravens promise to punish Addai

          Originally posted by DisplacedKnick View Post
          They're also the team that one night, Baltimore residents went to sleep with a football team, the next morning they woke up and that team was in Indianapolis.

          Not literally, but pretty close.

          I can see why Baltimore residents would be just foaming at the mouth over this. Some of that may have spilled over to the team.

          Of course the Ravens have a title and the Colts haven't in that time but I imagine they still don't think what Irsay did was a favor.
          Don't forget, DK, that that Baltimore Ravens were once called the Cleveland Browns.
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            Re: Ravens promise to punish Addai

            Kauf-dizzle! Good to see you posting.
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              Re: Ravens promise to punish Addai

              Oh pleasy what Irsay did was hardly unclassy, Hmm city is threatening to steal my team right out from under me. Should I A) Let that happen B) Move.

              The vast majority of people would choose B, Baltimore has nobody to blame other than the gov't that threatened to steal his team.

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                Re: Ravens promise to punish Addai

                Originally posted by Destined4Greatness View Post
                Oh pleasy what Irsay did was hardly unclassy, Hmm city is threatening to steal my team right out from under me. Should I A) Let that happen B) Move.

                The vast majority of people would choose B, Baltimore has nobody to blame other than the gov't that threatened to steal his team.
                And why did the city of Baltimore threaten emminent domain?

                Because Bobby was throwing a fit about Memorial Stadium and conducting a not-well-kept secret negotiation with both Indy and Phoenix to move the team. Bobby was hardly the victim here.

                The people of Baltimore still feel that Irsay stole "their" team - and rubbed their noses in it when he kept the name that should've been reserved for that city.

                To the citizens of Baltimore, this is going to be a HUGE game. Huge. Yes, that is Art Modell's franchise and because of that the Steelers are supposed to be their biggest rival, but this is bigger.
                Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                And life itself, rushing over me
                Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                  Re: Ravens promise to punish Addai

                  Originally posted by Jay@Section19 View Post
                  And why did the city of Baltimore threaten emminent domain?

                  Because Bobby was throwing a fit about Memorial Stadium and conducting a not-well-kept secret negotiation to move the team. Bobby was hardly the victim here.

                  The people of Baltimore still feel that Irsay stole "their" team - and rubbed their noses in it when he kept the name that should've been reserved for that city.

                  To the citizens of Baltimore, this is going to be a HUGE game. Huge. Yes, that is Art Modell's franchise and because of that the Steelers are supposed to be their biggest rival, but this is bigger.

                  I seroiusly doubt that fan emnity rubs off on the players. How many of the Ravens players hail from the Maryland area to be infected by this hatred? Sure maybe a little hype, but as soon as the game starts it's football and all football.
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                    Re: Ravens promise to punish Addai

                    Originally posted by Jay@Section19 View Post
                    To the citizens of Baltimore, this is going to be a HUGE game. Huge. Yes, that is Art Modell's franchise and because of that the Steelers are supposed to be their biggest rival, but this is bigger.
                    For some Jay I would agree, but considering the team moved here in 84 eventually the true hatred eventually does disappear after the oldies die off. I would think someone would have to be close to 30 to really remember and care what happened.

                    You can say all you want about Jimmy, but at the end of the day he didn't move the team from Baltimore and the team has remained in Indy.
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                      Re: Ravens promise to punish Addai

                      Originally posted by Kaufman View Post
                      Don't forget, DK, that that Baltimore Ravens were once called the Cleveland Browns.
                      The difference was that the Browns moving was known publicly for a substantial period of time and there were efforts made to prevent it - which obviously didn't work. Not to say Cleveland fans couldn't or shouldn't be PO'd but the way that move was done was completely different from the cloak-and-dagger Colts move.
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                        Re: Ravens promise to punish Addai

                        Originally posted by indygeezer View Post
                        I seroiusly doubt that fan emnity rubs off on the players. How many of the Ravens players hail from the Maryland area to be infected by this hatred? Sure maybe a little hype, but as soon as the game starts it's football and all football.
                        I agree... the players view the Steelers as their #1 rival.

                        But the fans are going to be a factor in this game, because this is "personal" to them.

                        Let's see, I was 14 when the Colts moved in, I'd been following the NFL prettly closely for a number of years, but I'd say anyone older than 35-40 and still living in Baltimore is probably salivating at this game.

                        Let's just say the Simons sell the Pacers to somebody that keeps the team in CFH for a few years, antagonizes and eventually alienates the local fan base, then moves the team to Jacksonville but keeps the "Pacers" name. Even if we got a new team, how many decades would it take us to forget that "Pacers" was "our" name before the new owner came along and stole it from us?
                        Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                        And life itself, rushing over me
                        Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                        Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                          Re: Ravens promise to punish Addai

                          Originally posted by RWB View Post
                          You can say all you want about Jimmy, but at the end of the day he didn't move the team from Baltimore and the team has remained in Indy.
                          I don't pay enough attention to him to have an opinion.

                          He did miss a golden opportunity to undo some of his father's ill-will when the Browns moved. Just as the name "Browns" stayed with Cleveland, he should've allowed the Baltimore team to use the "Colts" name and picked a new name for his team.

                          His biggest problem is the inability to shake the Irsay name from his birth certificate. Unless someone is already inclined to be a Colts fan, its unlikely that anyone is going to give him the benefit of the doubt. Of course, his father has been out of the picture for while now, so as you & Geezer said, time will heal some of the wounds.
                          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                          And life itself, rushing over me
                          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                            Re: Ravens promise to punish Addai

                            Originally posted by Jay@Section19 View Post
                            Let's just say the Simons sell the Pacers to somebody that keeps the team in CFH for a few years, antagonizes and eventually alienates the local fan base, then moves the team to Jacksonville but keeps the "Pacers" name. Even if we got a new team, how many decades would it take us to forget that "Pacers" was "our" name before the new owner came along and stole it from us?
                            I thought about that the other day. That would really fire me up big time.

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                              Re: Ravens promise to punish Addai

                              Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                              I thought about that the other day. That would really fire me up big time.
                              This is true and I would be personally upset. I would imagine that is how the 18,000 fans the Colts were averaging before they left Baltimore felt as well.

                              Read the following text and think why Donnie is concerned about hitting rock bottom with the Pacers. Kind of scary isn't it?

                              http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl...baltcolts.html

                              1982: Attendance begins to dwindle at Memorial Stadium as fans get fed up with Colts losing during a season interrupted by a 2-month strike. Actually the strike provided relief for the Colts, as the possibly avoided one of the worst seasons in NFL history. The Colts were simply awful, during a season, which saw them go winless while tying 1 game in a 9-game season.

                              1983: With the number 1 pick in the NFL Draft the Colts select QB John Elway from Stanford. However, Elway refused to go to Baltimore and threatened to play minor league baseball or in the newly formed USFL. Fearful the Colts would get nothing for his rights the Colts trade John Elway to the Denver Broncos, before he ever put on the horseshoed helmet. After starting the season with an overtime win in New England over the Patriots the Colts faced the Broncos in the home opener as Baltimore fans are hostile to Elway. However, fans get to see what they missed when Elway leads a game winning drive in the 4th. Despite losing out on Elway, and 1-year suspension for gambling to QB Art Schlichter, the Colts play solid football compiling a 7-9 record. However attendance lags, as fans continue to disapprove of the way Robert Irsay runs the club.
                              You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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