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Roethlisberger involved in Motorcycle Accident

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  • #16
    Re: Roethlisberger involved in Motorcycle Accident

    Or in this case, someone can turn in front of you, cutting you off.

    From what I understand, there are no skidmarks - no time to react.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
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    • #17
      Re: Roethlisberger involved in Motorcycle Accident

      Much love to Big Ben and all, but riddle me this how does one that is REQUIRED to wear a helmet to play their sport get on a motorcycle without having one on?


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      • #18
        Re: Roethlisberger involved in Motorcycle Accident

        Dan Patrick referencing the Pittsburgh Tribune Review

        Ben" reportedly "lost most of his teeth, fractured jaw, severely injured both knees,, laceration to the head...

        I am looking for any link..

        Here is a portion of that confirmed via ESPN

        One Steelers source told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that Roethlisberger was in surgery for a broken jaw, an injury that can take approximately seven weeks to heal. The Steelers season starts in 12 weeks
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        Why Not Us ?

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        • #19
          Re: Roethlisberger involved in Motorcycle Accident

          Originally posted by indy0731
          Much love to Big Ben and all, but riddle me this how does one that is REQUIRED to wear a helmet to play their sport get on a motorcycle without having one on?
          He's not required to wear one.

          Its not the law in PA.

          Its not in his contract.

          Its also not smart for him to not wear one. But there are lots of dumb people out there.
          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
          And life itself, rushing over me
          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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          • #20
            Re: Roethlisberger involved in Motorcycle Accident

            Actually here it is,,,,

            Bike Crash Leaves Roethlisberger In Serious Condition 7 minutes ago

            Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is undergoing surgery after a motorcycle accident on Monday morning, doctors at Mercy Hospital said.

            Roethlisberger is in serious but stable condition, according to Dr. Larry Jones.

            According to a police source,
            • Roethlisberger suffered a broken jaw,
            • broke his left sinus cavity,
            • suffered a 9-inch laceration to the back of his head, l
            • lost many teeth and
            • has severe injuries to his knees from hitting the pavement
            .

            A plastic surgeon has been called in, the source said.


            The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review said the accident happened on Second Avenue near the 10th Street Bridge. Police have shut down the bridge, Second Avenue and the Armstrong Tunnel.

            A witness told Channel 4 Action News that Roethlisberger went over his handlebars, hit the windshield of a car and then fell to the ground.

            The witness said she saw the accident and went over to help but did not recognize Roethlisberger. When she asked him what his name was, she said he replied, "Ben."

            The woman added that Roethlisberger asked her a series of questions, including where he was and what state he was in. He attempted to stand up but the woman said she encouraged him not to move until paramedics arrived.

            The bike and the car, a silver Chrysler New Yorker, have been towed to a police facility in Troy Hill for investigation.

            The driver of the New Yorker is not believed to have been seriously injured.

            Roethlisberger was not wearing a helmet, according to the Tribune-Review. In the past, he has publicly said he prefers to ride helmetless, which is legal in Pennsylvania.

            Former Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw has been an outspoken critic of Roethlisberger's motorcycle activity, saying Roethlisberger should stay off bikes until his playing career ends.

            Refresh this page for updates as they become available.

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            • #21
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              This is awful.
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              • #22
                Re: Roethlisberger involved in Motorcycle Accident

                Originally posted by efx
                Sorry, if you don't wear a helmet I'm not going to feel sorry for you.

                Yeah, I can see the whole 'you can get killed walking across the street' argument but his body is his job and he's had an organization put millions into him to do that job.

                The least he could do in terms of responsiblity is to wear a helmet.
                You gotta' feel sorry for the guy no helmet or not. He'd most likely still be hurt with a helmet on, probably not such bad head injuries but, he'd still be hurt.

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                • #23
                  Re: Roethlisberger involved in Motorcycle Accident

                  Let me rephrase it.

                  It's a terrible thing that happened but he was a damn fool for riding without one and his injuries would probably not have been as bad had he worn one.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Roethlisberger involved in Motorcycle Accident

                    Originally posted by BoomBaby31
                    You gotta' feel sorry for the guy no helmet or not. He'd most likely still be hurt with a helmet on, probably not such bad head injuries but, he'd still be hurt.
                    Exactly Bikes are just a risk period, I can see the NFL now coming out on a harsher stance or policy on this, Winslow is one thing.. one of your prized Stars is a whole different ball of Wax.....

                    Both Knees being injured is what I would be most worried about right now..

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                    • #25
                      Re: Roethlisberger involved in Motorcycle Accident

                      Originally posted by Frank Slade
                      Exactly Bikes are just a risk period, I can see the NFL now coming out on a harsher stance or policy on this, Winslow is one thing.. one of your prized Stars is a whole different ball of Wax.....

                      Both Knees being injured is what I would be most worried about right now..
                      I mean look at Jay Williams. Let's hope for the very best.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Roethlisberger involved in Motorcycle Accident

                        Severe knee injuries? This is bad. Very bad.


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                        • #27
                          Re: Roethlisberger involved in Motorcycle Accident

                          Originally posted by indy0731
                          Severe knee injuries? This is bad. Very bad.
                          He's alive. Everything else is secondary at this point.

                          I feel for him if his career is over, but the fact is he KNEW the risk he was taking, and didn't care. He's said over and over that he'd never put on a helmet as long as there was no law requiring him to do so on ESPN, Fox, CBS, and whoever else asked him about it.

                          He's a good kid, but the fact is kids only go as far behind the line as they can get without going over it.

                          Plain and simple, the line should have been pushed back.

                          What I'm hoping out of this? The idiots running things in PA pass a LAW requiring a helmet for motorcycles.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Roethlisberger involved in Motorcycle Accident

                            Originally posted by Kstat
                            He's alive. Everything else is secondary at this point.

                            I feel for him if his career is over, but the fact is he KNEW the risk he was taking, and didn't care. He's said over and over that he'd never put on a helmet as long as there was no law requiring him to do so on ESPN, Fox, CBS, and whoever else asked him about it.

                            He's a good kid, but the fact is kids only go as far behind the line as they can get without going over it.

                            Plain and simple, the line should have been pushed back.

                            What I'm hoping out of this? The idiots running things in PA pass a LAW requiring a helmet for motorcycles.
                            Oh yeah I agree he is alive everything else is secondary, but come on. I know this is not exactly Len Bias but talk about potential maybe not being reached.
                            It would not surprise me either to see a law passed. This is assinine.


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                            • #29
                              Re: Roethlisberger involved in Motorcycle Accident

                              Originally posted by indy0731
                              Oh yeah I agree he is alive everything else is secondary, but come on.
                              Hey I feel bad if he's done with football, but the fact is he was asking for it. I mean, it's not like a car hit him while he was walking to his mailbox. The man was on a motorcycle death-trap, without a helmet.

                              How much more can you possibly do to put yourself in harm's way?

                              "He talked about being a risk-taker and I'm not really a risk-taker. I'm pretty conservative and laid back, but the big thing is to just be careful," Roethlisberger said at the time. "I'll just continue to be careful. I told him we don't ever ride alone, we always ride in a group of people, and I think it makes it even more safe."
                              Someone close to Ben should have slapped him with a frying pan after he said that.

                              Ben: There is NO SUCH THING as being safe on a motorcycle, unless you never intend to take it off your driveway. You can be the best motorcycle rider on eath, but you can't control what the other 2 million cars you're riding next to will do, and there's only so many places to turn on a highway when you see danger. If an accident wants to find you, it will find you.

                              I know this is not exactly Len Bias but talk about potential maybe not being reached.
                              He's probably done more in his first 2 years than any QB in the history of football. If there's any 2nd-year player that could retire today and have a more full career than %99 of the players in his league, it's Ben Rothlesburger.

                              Again, I'm not without sympathy for a lost career, but it's hard to get past the fact he set himself up for this in so many ways, despite everyone he knew telling him it was stupid.

                              I blame the PA lawmakers mostly, because they are the only people Ben admittied he would have listened to.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Roethlisberger involved in Motorcycle Accident

                                Wow. I am just stunned. This has been one of the best years ever in Steelers history and now this happens. I obliviously want him to be alright, but if he won't be able to play football again I will feel really bad. I really enjoyed watching him play and I really feel for Steelers fans because they could have been beginning a dynasty.

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