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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

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  • #46
    Re: At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

    Originally posted by DJVendetta View Post
    It would be nice if we had bigs that commanded more attention. That's what Bynum did and Turner and Bynum had great games. I miss Watson's presence badly, but Scola has just been God-awful as of late. He's turned into Hansborough with his terrible jump shot (where the **** did it go lol), except he's worse on defense. If Scola is hitting jumpers then defenses can't buckle down into the paint when Turner drives, but that's not happening. I still don't see why Copeland or Butler don't get more minutes, but hey I'm not a coach.
    It doesn't take a coach to see that Vogel's current rotation isn't working. Bench has been bad all season long and Scola has gotten worse and worse. Sloan stinks, too. Hope to see a healthy Watson sometime soon...
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    • #47
      Re: At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

      Originally posted by docpaul View Post
      Hmm. What's worrisome to me, is that everyone on the team... from Coach Vogel down to the players, are saying that they're not playing together. Regardless of the wins and losses, if you watch the team objectively, you can see this with your own eyes.

      They played tied together earlier in the year, and they can get back to it obviously. But this is more than "the Knicks getting lucky".



      Well we had a better 2nd half shooting wise. I thought they finally got the ball to Roy. Now if they keep doing that, Roy will become Roy again. And he's right, they've fallen in love with the JS. He and West need the ball more to open things up. As for the team, Vogel just needs to stop sending out the same rotations. Copeland, Butler, Allen, Turner, Watson. That should be the bench. Maybe at times, you can put Solo in place of Butler. But this Scola/Mahinmi stuff can't work. Good to see Vogel put Copeland out there in place of PG last night when PG went to the bench.

      He just needs to do that more often so they can develop a rythm. If Scola is gonna be on the floor, then Allen and Copeland should be out there with him. At least stretch the defense.

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      • #48
        Re: At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

        I will say this and most of you know me, I don't ever get too high or too low.

        But if we keep playing at this level right up until the playoffs start (and playing just 1 great game isn't a trend, we need to play a stretch of 5 or 6 really good games) I think we are in real trouble - maybe even in the second round.

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        • #49
          Re: At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

          By the way, we also missed 8 free throws last night. We make those we win.

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          • #50
            Re: At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

            Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
            I hope you all here are willing to admit you were wrong when we turn it around
            If they turn it around I am more than willing to eat crow. In the meantime they have A LOT of work to do....
            PACER FAN ON STRIKE!!!-The moment the Pacers fire Larry Bird I will cheer for them again.

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            • #51
              Re: At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
              I will say this and most of you know me, I don't ever get too high or too low.

              But if we keep playing at this level right up until the playoffs start (and playing just 1 great game isn't a trend, we need to play a stretch of 5 or 6 really good games) I think we are in real trouble - maybe even in the second round.

              .
              I'm really with you with the caveat that this has gone on for months now and I've been feeling a bit iffy for months, turned into full-blown pessimistic this month. People act like it's a bad shooting night or two here or there. No. It's a trend. And trends don't reverse overnight.

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              • #52
                Re: At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                I will say this and most of you know me, I don't ever get too high or too low.

                But if we keep playing at this level right up until the playoffs start (and playing just 1 great game isn't a trend, we need to play a stretch of 5 or 6 really good games) I think we are in real trouble - maybe even in the second round.

                .
                Although one can interpret your response as a realistic one....this is the closest that I have seen UB give a rather pessimistic outlook about the Pacers.

                So, were we treated to "Fool's Gold" early in the season? I honestly dont know....i want to believe that it is possible to return to our previous form.....but the Team is doing very little to convince me of that they are capable of doing that.
                Last edited by CableKC; 03-20-2014, 05:39 PM.
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                • #53
                  Re: At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

                  This team is not very good and they have showed little to indicate they are going to get good again anytime soon.

                  We have not beat a +.500 team since Feb7 against Portland and we pulled that one out of our @ss.
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                  • #54
                    Re: At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

                    This team is only slightly above average when the ball sticks like glue to their fingers. I'm talking mainly about Paul and Lance. But there is another problem. Our guys are not that good at moving the ball...when they try to do it. They haven't apparently had enough practice. It even sticks in West's hands and Hibbert is slow out there. Chicago has a fraction of our talent but might just beat us because they know how to move the ball. There is no "I" in team, except in Indiana apparently.
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                    • #55
                      Re: At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

                      I really don't see this team beating Chicago or Toronto in the second round if we don't get out heads out of our asses. The Bulls especially can disrupt our unity or whatever BS things Lance said to excuse him and PGs selfishness

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                      • #56
                        Re: At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

                        Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                        Although one can interpret your response as a realistic one....this is the closest that I have seen UB give a rather pessimistic outlook about the Pacers.

                        So, were we treated to "Fool's Gold" early in the season? I honestly dont know....i want to believe that it is possible to return to our previous form.....but the Team is doing very little to convince me of that they are capable of doing that.

                        I like the characterization of "fools gold" and I get where you are coming from, but let me spin it another way. Were we just so unbelievably good early on that our expectations were crazy to begin with and just playing merely "good" is a let down?

                        I really don't have the answer, just food for thought.

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                        • #57
                          Re: At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

                          Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                          I like the characterization of "fools gold" and I get where you are coming from, but let me spin it another way. Were we just so unbelievably good early on that our expectations were crazy to begin with and just playing merely "good" is a let down?

                          I really don't have the answer, just food for thought.
                          We really aren't playing good. We are playing downright bad.

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                          • #58
                            Re: At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

                            Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
                            We really aren't playing good. We are playing downright bad.
                            Characterize it however you wish, but we are better than the team we play more nights than not. It certainly hasn't been pretty, but "bad" teams don't win at the rate we do.

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                            • #59
                              Re: At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

                              Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                              Characterize it however you wish, but we are better than the team we play more nights than not. It certainly hasn't been pretty, but "bad" teams don't win at the rate we do.
                              Over the last 10 games we are 5-5. 14 teams have a better record over that stretch. We are by every definition middle of the pack. And then you think about the fact that 3 of those 5 wins came against the Bucks and Sixers. Its even less impressive. Hell none of the 5 wins were against teams with winning records.

                              Our last 10 games stretch all things told is probably one of the most pathetic in the league. Other than the Sixers and Bucks.

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                              • #60
                                Re: At what point does it become more than a "slump?"

                                Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
                                Lot of similarities between us this year and the Knicks last year.
                                Not really. The Knicks jumped on teams due to their abnormally hot 3 point shooting. We didn't rely on 3 point shooting or anything else that comes and goes. We relied on our defense which is something reliable. Our defense will always be there when we need it. 3 point shooting comes and goes.

                                Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
                                Bulls are also eerily similar to us last year.
                                That's a good comparison, though. The Bulls definitely have some comparisons with our last year team.
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