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  • Re: Granger traded to Philly

    Originally posted by Hicks View Post
    I know nothing of Allen. Curious to see if he sticks around past this summer or not. From the way more than a few of you talk, makes me think he and Cope combined are enough to justify letting Scola go this summer if we want to apply that $ differently.
    The LEAST costly move the Pacers can do in the offseason to shave off $4+ mil in SalaryCap is to simply let Scola go. Any other move ( like trying to dump Copeland or Mahinmi ) would likely cost the Pacers some assets and/or $$$....which I don't think the Pacers can nor should afford to pay.

    I'd live with a Backup PF rotation of Copeland and Allen ( assuming that he pans out...which I think he can ) if it meant that we have the chance to re-sign Lance.
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      Originally posted by rexnom View Post
      I'm sentimental for Danny, especially after that Paul George picture...but I don't know, I feel like Legend just isn't giving the championship up this year. All my trust with the Basketball Jesus. For the first time, I really, truly believe we'll win it this year. I'm very confident all of a sudden. It's not just Turner and Allen. It's that Legend is involved. And Legend wins championships.
      Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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      • Re: Granger traded to Philly

        Originally posted by CableKC View Post
        The LEAST costly move the Pacers can do in the offseason to shave off $4+ mil in SalaryCap is to simply let Scola go. Any other move ( like trying to dump Copeland or Mahinmi ) would likely cost the Pacers some assets and/or $$$....which I don't think the Pacers can nor should afford to pay.

        I'd live with a Backup PF rotation of Copeland and Allen ( assuming that he pans out...which I think he can ) if it meant that we have the chance to re-sign Lance.
        Scola has a partial guaranteed contract. Not going to save 4+ mil.
        Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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        • Re: Granger traded to Philly

          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
          It's the NBA. Everyone knows everyone else's offensive and defensive plays.
          Haha yes. I don't want to be mean to others...but it ain't exactly like saving an offensive gameplan for the Super Bowl. Teams are what they are in the NBA more than any other sport, really.

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          • Re: Granger traded to Philly

            I'm curious to see what the new banners in the entry pavilion will look like. I wonder if they will add a 6th player to replace Granger, go with just the starters, or put Vogel or Bird on the banners.

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            • Re: Granger traded to Philly

              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
              The LEAST costly move the Pacers can do in the offseason to shave off $4+ mil in SalaryCap is to simply let Scola go. Any other move ( like trying to dump Copeland or Mahinmi ) would likely cost the Pacers some assets and/or $$$....which I don't think the Pacers can nor should afford to pay.

              I'd live with a Backup PF rotation of Copeland and Allen ( assuming that he pans out...which I think he can ) if it meant that we have the chance to re-sign Lance.
              Do you realize that Copeland and Allen combined cost $7M next year? If we keep Allen he eats up the money we save by cutting Scola. But I'm hoping Allen plays so well that we want to keep him.

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              • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
                Scola has a partial guaranteed contract. Not going to save 4+ mil.
                He's only guaranteed $941k in the 2014-2015 season....my assumption is that if his unguaranteed contract isn't picked up.....the $941k will only be on the books.....not his full $4.87 mil salary.
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                • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                  Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
                  Scola has a partial guaranteed contract. Not going to save 4+ mil.
                  I thought we owed him like 4,900,00 dollars, and like 900,000 was guaranteed, so we'd save about 4 million, no?

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                  • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                    Originally posted by Strummer View Post
                    Do you realize that Copeland and Allen combined cost $7M next year? If we keep Allen he eats up the money we save by cutting Scola. But I'm hoping Allen plays so well that we want to keep him.
                    Lavoy Allen will be a RFA. I don't see him getting a $3 mil contract offer next season unless he totally takes off. I'd guess that he'd settle down near the $1 to 1.5 mil range....which is at most for a Backup Big Man.

                    Keep in mind...no matter what...if Scola is let go....the Pacers would still have to sign 3 Players...one of which would either be Turner or ( hopefully ) Lance....and ( maybe ) one of them could be Allen

                    As for Copeland...he's on the books no matter what. IMHO...I have always thought that Vogel/Bird signed Copeland to be the backup PF....if Scola is let go....they already have a backup PF waiting in the wings.
                    Last edited by CableKC; 02-21-2014, 01:33 AM.
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                    • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                      The emotional side of this trade didn't hit me right away. The basketball side took the majority of my emotions and I was excited.

                      As I see more and more about Granger, I am going to miss him. I really was not a fan of what his game became after his All-Star season, but I always admired his heart and passion for this team.

                      Looking at Wikipedia and seeing him listed as a 76er sucked.
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                      • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                        Originally posted by cdash View Post
                        I would like to see George Hill being the first sub out now (basically switching roles with Lance) and playing with Turner and the second unit. Lance and Turner replicate each other too much with their skill set, and we need all the perimeter shooting we can get in that unit. Plus if Turner starts to lose control, you have a veteran in there who can take over the ball handling duties or share them at the very least.
                        I would have liked to have seen that with Granger as well. IMO a big part of Granger not scoring at the clip he could have was that he went from being the #1 option to being the second or 3 option when playing with the bench because Lance was almost always in there making himself the focus of the offense in the second unit. We don't need that from Lance and I don't think it's in the best interest of the team for Lance to ever be the #1 option on the floor. I think our entire bench would be better off if we had GH and David were the starters who played with them.
                        Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

                        Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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                        • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                          Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
                          The emotional side of this trade didn't hit me right away. The basketball side took the majority of my emotions and I was excited.

                          As I see more and more about Granger, I am going to miss him. I really was not a fan of what his game became after his All-Star season, but I always admired his heart and passion for this team.

                          Looking at Wikipedia and seeing him listed as a 76er sucked.
                          Basically the same thing for me. Seeing the pictures and stuff made it a little more sad. Once people start making tribute videos and he returns to the Fieldhouse for the first time then I'll really feel it I think.
                          Last edited by PGisthefuture; 02-21-2014, 01:39 AM.

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                          • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                            Lavoy Allen will be a RFA. I don't see him getting a $3 mil contract offer next season unless he totally takes off. I'd guess that he'd settle down near the $1 to 1.5 mil range....which is at most for a Backup Big Man.
                            Allen will only be a RFA if we give him a $3.8M qualifying offer. If we don't give him the offer he'll be a UFA.

                            I can't see him staying with us for a big pay cut especially when he seems to be more productive than Copeland.

                            edit: I'm getting my salary info for Allen from ShamSports. I don't know if it's correct or not.
                            http://data.shamsports.com/content/p...ies/sixers.jsp
                            Last edited by Strummer; 02-21-2014, 01:56 AM.

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                            • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                              Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
                              The emotional side of this trade didn't hit me right away. The basketball side took the majority of my emotions and I was excited.

                              As I see more and more about Granger, I am going to miss him. I really was not a fan of what his game became after his All-Star season, but I always admired his heart and passion for this team.

                              Looking at Wikipedia and seeing him listed as a 76er sucked.
                              I had Danny's profile on ESPN up before I left for work this afternoon, it was smiling Danny Granger in a Pacers uniform and our logo behind him. I came home and refreshed the page, stone cold serious face Danny in a 76ers uniform with their logo behind him. It made me sad.

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                              • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                                Originally posted by Dr. Hibbert View Post
                                I don't get people calling Bird "slimy" at all. What do you think Bird's job is? It's to guide the Pacers to a championship. This was the kind of move you make in order to accomplish that.

                                This isn't the feel-good friendship club. This isn't your adult rec league team with your college buddies. This isn't a charity club. It's professional basketball. Sometimes, tough decisions come with the territory. All the best to Danny, but my goodness, anyone criticizing Bird here is missing the point of the move, and his job, entirely.
                                Who is calling Bird "slimy"? I haven't seen this anywhere.
                                Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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