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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

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  • what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

    Yes I know we have a great team record. Yes I am aware we are the best defensive basketball team in the history of the NBA. But we no longer have an excuse for the offensive inefficiencies and scoring droughts this team is incapable of avoiding.

    No longer is it an excuse that Coach Vogel has not implemented his offense. No longer is it an excuse that this team has a revolving door of player personnel. No longer is it an excuse that this team is young when two of our core players have multi all star appearances.

    Pacers can ill afford to go six minutes at a time without "buckets." Coach Vogel has to figure out how this team can score more consistently or it will cost us in the playoffs.


    We cannot rely on George Hill scoring 37, DWEST not missing a shot, and cool Rasual carrying our 2nd unit. Before anyone chirps about Bynum we cannot rely on him to even see the court or be apart of this team after March 1.

    These BS excuses about Paul George being tired is a cop out. He is playing as many minutes as most stars in the NBA and its not an excuse that he has to guard the other teams best player. I highly doubt you would hear Kobe say well I sucked on offense because I was focusing on D. BS. Sure a game here or game there Paul George is going to struggle but were going on about 10 games now in a row. The weariness of looking forward to the all star break is complete crap as well.


    We have 4 current all star level players in our starting lineup, we have 2 former all star level players and soon to be 3 in our second unit. Our Defense is so darn good it should be dictating our offensive domination as well and it has at times but no where near the consistent level we are going to need in order for this Franchise to hang a BANNER from the rafters of the Fieldhouse.


    George Hill has proven he is a capable scorer way before last nights offensive explosion. For the life of me I cannot figure out why he is not more consistent even if he is playing unselfishly. Right now I have no idea where Paul Georges shooting touch has gone to. And Roy Hibbert at times has simply become very hesitant to score in the post due to lack of balance and poor footwork on the block. The second unit is still a work in progress so I can live and let live with them until the playoffs roll around but our starting 5 has got to find a way to score the ball consistently.

    Lets not even take into account that this team despite the chemistry we have is still a turnover machine on the road and against elite competition. Listen, I get players are going to have off nights, PG, Luis, and even DWEST at times but we are simply too darn talented to have 6 minute scoring droughts every other road game or against elite competition.


    Whose to blame for the inconsistent lack of scoring production. Is it Coach Vogel or are the players simply not executing.


    Point blank, we are too darn talented with the first and second unit to be an average offensive team! Coach Vogel must find a way for our offense to score points in a more consistent manner or it may come back to bite us when it matters most.

    Anyone have a valid clue what the hell is wrong with our offense excluding the turnover issues.

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    Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

    If anything our defense has been the problem as of late

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    • #3
      Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

      A team with multiple offensive initiators who are scorers are going to tend to freestyle more, make the opposing defense work less, and be more likely to make bad decisions.

      Also, it takes a huge amount of energy to play defense at the level the Pacers do. That leaves less energy to get lift on shots, slightly less crisp cuts and passes, and more likelihood of taking chances due to a little mental fatigue.

      Finally, when a team doesn't have a lot of willing passers, it becomes even easier to defend because dribbling the ball cannot possibly move the ball as quickly from one spot to another as proper passing amongst players who move with a purpose can.

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      • #4
        Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

        I do not want to place the onus on Roy alone. However, for a team that prides itself in "smashmouth" basketball and an "inside out" offense Roy has yet to prove he can be a consistent option for this team on the block and it concerns me significantly.

        If Roy were getting double teamed I would have no gripe with it, but for the most part teams are not doubling to prevent Roy from scoring in the lane. Again, its not just Roy, but at this time I expect more of a low post presence from him and were not getting it.

        I hope after last night Hill realizes this team needs him to be more assertive offensively.

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        • #5
          Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

          We are fine.

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          • #6
            Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

            Well part of the issue is elementary basketball...too often we have 4 guys just standing in one spot waiting for the guy with the ball to do something.

            You don't have to know much about basketball to know that rarely works (Sometimes works with LBJ, but even then is a bad offensive system).

            The other is turnovers. Passing to guys who aren't looking, or trying to pass into or dribble through traffic.
            Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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            • #7
              Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

              This thread is long overdue.

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              • #8
                Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                Originally posted by BenR1990 View Post
                We are fine.
                Ranked 20th in the league in overall offense behind juggernauts like the LA Lakers (w/out Kobe), Wizards, and Pelicans. If below average is considered "fine" then we got nothing to be concerned about.

                http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/te...rison-per-game

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                • #9
                  Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                  yeah cause 113 points is a real issue
                  Smothered Chicken!

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                  • #10
                    Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                    Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                    Ranked 20th in the league in overall offense behind juggernauts like the LA Lakers (w/out Kobe), Wizards, and Pelicans. If below average is considered "fine" then we got nothing to be concerned about.

                    http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/te...rison-per-game
                    We play a slower style of basketball, especially when it comes to running our offense. We don't jack up shots early in the shot clock, don't really run a lot of fast break, and primarily play a half-court offense. Sure, we could be like the Lakers, Pelicans, and Wizards and put up some really cool numbers on offense, but our defensive production would suffer drastically. Those teams put up numbers on offense because they have little to no defense. Outscoring (or outchucking) their opponent is their only chance to win games.

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                    • #11
                      Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                      Lack of a pick and roll game is a problem IMO. Roy's almost useless in this action, and West's more of a pop guy. I hate to say it, but I believe if we had a Gortat or even R. Lopez out there our offense would be much better.
                      Last edited by CJ Jones; 02-08-2014, 09:05 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                        You ask a question, and in the process say you "don't want to hear" all of the answers. PG plays defense harder than Kobe. PG plays a ton of minutes. We scored a season high last night and beat the leagues best offense. Every team goes through offensive droughts. It's the nature of basketball. And the thing is you CAN count on GHill to score, or West, even Rasual Butler. That's why we win so many games. It's never going to be one guy every night carrying the load. Our offense isn't "prolific" because there are almost no teams in the history of the NBA that are the best defense AND offense in the league.

                        We have the best record in the league and people are still complaining about it.

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                        • #13
                          Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                          I imagine if we add a scorer off the bench and maybe get Lowry at point guard, that would change. Also Lance and PG are still young. In 3 years they might be averaging 20+ PPG. Lance certainly has the capability. He needs to work this Summer with multiple shooting coaches. So he can knock down that jumper and 3 with ease.

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                          • #14
                            Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                            Originally posted by BenR1990 View Post
                            We play a slower style of basketball, especially when it comes to running our offense. We don't jack up shots early in the shot clock, don't really run a lot of fast break, and primarily play a half-court offense. Sure, we could be like the Lakers, Pelicans, and Wizards and put up some really cool numbers on offense, but our defensive production would suffer drastically. Those teams put up numbers on offense because they have little to no defense. Outscoring (or outchucking) their opponent is their only chance to win games.
                            So in essence our defense is only considered elite due to the fact we play at a snails pace offensively and distort/skew the numbers? I see your point and it is valid. As a team we are 26th in the league in FG attempts.
                            http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/te...GoalsAttempted

                            Which could be due to the fact we make other teams work harder for shots as well which in turn slows our offense down. Interesting per the stats above, OKC averages only one more shot per game than us (ranked 19th) and scores approximately 7 more pts a game. This is a team without Westbrook which skews things because they have had to slow tempo with him out.

                            My point regarding the Lakers was talent wise they have been without Nash, Kobe, and Pau has missed time.. given they are a fast break team but no where near the talent we have, same holds true for bottom feeders like Pelicans and Wizards.

                            Spurs play half court as well and are ranked in the top 10. One could assume since we play in the weak Eastern Conference our offense would be a little higher than 20th overall.

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                            • #15
                              Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                              We currently have one the best (if not the best) basketball teams in the
                              world, are at the top of the NBA standings, and are widely recognised as
                              being a top contender for the NBA championship and you're going to sit
                              there and ***** about it?

                              Unreal.

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