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what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

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  • #16
    Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

    Originally posted by Indra View Post
    You ask a question, and in the process say you "don't want to hear" all of the answers. PG plays defense harder than Kobe. PG plays a ton of minutes. We scored a season high last night and beat the leagues best offense. Every team goes through offensive droughts. It's the nature of basketball. And the thing is you CAN count on GHill to score, or West, even Rasual Butler. That's why we win so many games. It's never going to be one guy every night carrying the load. Our offense isn't "prolific" because there are almost no teams in the history of the NBA that are the best defense AND offense in the league.

    We have the best record in the league and people are still complaining about it.
    I stated "no excuses." Big difference. How certain are you PG plays harder D than Kobe??? All the while Kobe has a lot more offensive responsibility than PG.

    Forgive me but no one in the NBA or sports for that matter hang BANNERS for the "best record."

    Maybe some of you should revisit the last time we played the Heat as only one example, were up 15 at one time and our offense didn't score for about 10 minutes straight in that game give or take, and we lost.


    Let me summarize then: the fact we no longer play JOB ball yet have way more talent than those teams could ever dream of excuse the fact that this team is average offensively.

    Fair enough.


    If we got beat last night I wonder if some of you all would be singing the same tune. It took 37 from GHILL and near perfection from DWEST to pull that one out of the fire. I simply expect more from this team offensively at this point in the season and in order to win a BANNER were going to have to avoid going six minutes or longer without a bucket.

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    • #17
      Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

      Someone mentioned pace, I partially agree with this. Despite being 20th in offense, we still have the best point differential in the NBA at +8.1. However, as almost anyone can see, our offense is stagnant at times. It's not a problem now, because we can survive due to our historically good defense. I think a lot of is it basic movement without the ball. When the ball is moving in our offense, it is a thing of beauty. Quinn said it well yesterday, just make the easy play. That West pick and pop jumper is there almost all the time, and it feels like he hits it at at least 50%.

      This is just a random thought, but I really like that we have seen a variety of end of quarter plays of late. Instead of just straight Paul iso, we will see off ball action, and recently, it seems as though it has been very successful in terms of catching defenses off guard.
      There is no NBA player named Monte Ellis.

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      • #18
        Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

        Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
        If we got beat last night I wonder if some of you all would be singing the same tune. It took 37 from GHILL and near perfection from DWEST to pull that one out of the fire. I simply expect more from this team offensively at this point in the season and in order to win a BANNER were going to have to avoid going six minutes or longer without a bucket.
        The use of last nights game to further your argument may not be wise. We put up 103 in regulation, that would put us in the top 10 in ppg. Its more an issue with our D, or lack there of. If we were wining games 79-70 then you could say we have a severe O issue. I'd imagine if you took out the "garbage" time where we were blowing teams out our PPG would be a bit better.

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        • #19
          Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

          Originally posted by PacersPride
          Yes, until we hang a BANNER you are correct. I am not going to accept that this team has zero room for improvement. Those of you who disagree and believe this team is as good as it can be can simply post elsewhere if it upsets you that much.

          For now:

          I expect Roy Hibbert to be more of a force offensively.
          I expect PG to produce even when his outside jumper is not falling.. because elite players find a way to score in a multitude of ways.
          I expect Hill to not disappear next game.
          DWEST BAMF. nuff said.
          I expect our second unit to be one of the best in the league and dominate other teams.

          Offensively, I believe this team is capable of more.

          Forgive me for high expectations and considering our 20th ranked offense as an area of concern that could hinder a BANNER being raised.
          You can't have every starter play out of their mind. If Hibbert was averaging 18, and Hill was averaging 15, and it sounds like you want PG to score 25 a night, you are looking at like 85 ppg just by our starters. That just isn't realistic. We are never going to give up 90 points per game and average 108. We would go down as the most dominating NBA team in the history of the game.
          There is no NBA player named Monte Ellis.

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          • #20
            Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

            Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
            I highly doubt you would hear Kobe say well I sucked on offense because I was focusing on D.
            That's obvious since the last time Kobe was focusing on D was ages ago.

            Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
            Anyone have a valid clue what the hell is wrong with our offense excluding the turnover issues.
            Actually, our turnover issues are our problem.

            Take a look at that -> http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat...ing-percentage

            We are #12 in TS%. That indicates that shooting is not our problem. In fact, we are doing a pretty good job at connecting when we actually attempt a shot.

            On the other hand, we are #21 in Turnovers per Possession (I'm using per possession instead of per game because it is adjusted for pace) -> http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat...per-possession

            It's easy to see that it's the turnovers that are bringing our ORTG down. If we were able to attempt more shots then our ORTG would be better since we seem quite capable of making those shots.
            Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
            Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

            Panopticon

            Originally posted by IrishPacer
            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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            • #21
              Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

              Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
              Ranked 20th in the league in overall offense behind juggernauts like the LA Lakers (w/out Kobe), Wizards, and Pelicans. If below average is considered "fine" then we got nothing to be concerned about.

              http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/te...rison-per-game
              That's PPG. PPG is a very poor way to compare a team's overall offense. Offensive Efficiency is a much better metric -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6PQVmydtMM

              We are still below average at that (#19), obviously.
              Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
              Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

              Panopticon

              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • #22
                Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                The great part of the team is that anyone can lead the team in scoring but that's also the downfall because it changes every game, in order to have consistent offensive games from players they need to establish rythym.

                I know Roy can improve his offense but doesn't get consistent touches to get a rythym that's part on him and part on the coach. At the same time this team/coach needs to decided if we are an in-out team.

                Look at west numbers before he was consistently getting looks, now he's gotten consistent touches and has created good rythym.

                turnovers are the biggest factor is a below average offense, and they continue to not put enough emphasis on it. At least during the game it seems like it.
                Last edited by ThA HoyA; 02-08-2014, 10:23 PM.

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                • #23
                  Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                  Nothing. This is our offense. We have some defiencies. Is that news?

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                  • #24
                    Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                    Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                    As a team we are 26th in the league in FG attempts.
                    http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/te...GoalsAttempted
                    And that's a very valid point indeed. We are doing a quite good job at hitting the shots that we attempt but at times we don't attempt enough of them.

                    Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                    One could assume since we play in the weak Eastern Conference our offense would be a little higher than 20th overall.
                    That would be a very poor assumption, though.

                    It's true that the East is weaker than the West but that doesn't mean that Eastern teams are weaker defensively than Western ones.

                    Take a look at that -> http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/tea...ff/order/false

                    Let's see what happens 20 through 30:

                    20) Brooklyn
                    21) Portland
                    22) New York
                    23) Cleveland
                    24) Dallas
                    25) New Orleans
                    26) Los Angeles (Lakers)
                    27) Philadelphia
                    28) Sacramento
                    29) Milwaukee
                    30) Utah

                    We can see 5 Eastern teams (Brooklyn, New York, Cleveland, Philadelphia and Milwaukee) and 6 Western teams (Portland, Dallas, New Orleans, Los Angeles, Sacramento and Utah).

                    Let's see what's happening 1 through 10 as well:

                    1) Indiana
                    2) Chicago
                    3) Golden State (yes, they are very good defensively, actually)
                    4) Oklahoma City
                    5) San Antonio
                    6) Charlotte
                    7) Toronto
                    8) Houston
                    9) Washington
                    10) Clippers

                    As you can see it's 5-5.

                    That indicates one simple thing. There are good defensive teams and there are bad defensive teams. It doesn't matter if a team is in the East or the West. There are good defensive teams in both conferences. Being in the East doesn't give a team any kind of advantage in scoring.
                    Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                    Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

                    Panopticon

                    Originally posted by IrishPacer
                    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                    • #25
                      Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                      Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                      How certain are you PG plays harder D than Kobe???
                      Absolutely certain. It's a well known fact that Kobe in particular has been dogging it defensively for years.
                      Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                      Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

                      Panopticon

                      Originally posted by IrishPacer
                      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                      • #26
                        Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                        Too often we don't share the ball, and that's when our offense struggles. When we move the ball around, we score well
                        Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                        • #27
                          Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                          Actually, our turnover issues are our problem.
                          I agree, this is the crux of the issue and has been the previous two seasons. As has been stated, we are a slow tempo offense, as opposed to fast pace which would lead one to believe our turnovers should be limited. I would expect teams that play at a faster pace to be ones leading the league in turnovers.

                          Pacers are slightly improving in that area and hope it continues. With the talent and chemistry this team has I believe the offense is capable of more. Perhaps those are unreasonable expectations.

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                          • #28
                            Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                            Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                            Absolutely certain. It's a well known fact that Kobe in particular has been dogging it defensively for years.
                            The fact Kobe has made the all defensive team 12 times then is a bit misleading.

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                            • #29
                              Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                              PacersPride;1784921]Yes, until we hang a BANNER you are correct. I am not going to accept that this team has zero room for improvement. Those of you who disagree and believe this team is as good as it can be can simply post elsewhere if it upsets you that much.

                              I don't need to post somewhere else. That is what the "ignore" button is for, to shut out pessimistic, ranting people like you.

                              For now:

                              I expect Roy Hibbert to be more of a force offensively.
                              I expect PG to produce even when his outside jumper is not falling.. because elite players find a way to score in a multitude of ways.
                              I expect Hill to not disappear next game.
                              DWEST BAMF. nuff said.
                              I expect our second unit to be one of the best in the league and dominate other teams.

                              Offensively, I believe this team is capable of more.

                              If your last name isn't Simons, Bird or Vogel, you can expect all you want and no one really cares.
                              I would rather be the hammer than the nail

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                              • #30
                                Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

                                Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                                The fact Kobe has made the all defensive team 12 times then is a bit misleading.
                                the last few Kobe got named to were more about going off his name than anything. Kobe was a fantastic defender, but hasn't been for awhile, not on a consistent basis at least.

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