The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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Andrew Bynum 13-14 General Discussion

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  • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
    I know that he's not the Bynum from his Laker days.....but I always equated him with being an Athletic version of Eddy Curry who could actually rebound and block shots. Before u say Eddy Frakin Curry? I'm purely speaking from a scoring / Offensive perspective. Remember....Curry was actually a very solid and efficient Low Post scorer before he fell into an All U Can Eat Buffet.

    If Bynum can still put up similar numbers as what he did in Cleveland or show a fraction of what he showed in LaLaLand......he would immensely help on the offensive end. Mahinmi is doing a solid job on the defensive end....but his offensive skills are limited and his scoring just comes from bunnies and put backs.
    I think what happens after extended layoff due to injury is that the expectation for a drop off in mobility and athleticism is so ingrained in people's thinking that they become biased when they see the player finally play (Ala Granger). You gotta remember the physiological factor of returning from as many surgeries as Bynum has had, as well as the factor of lack of motivation due to playing for a **** poor team that doesn't even have an ounce of winning culture. Say what you will about Bynum, but I think his mentality is misunderstood. He doesn't want to lose. He lost his passion for basketball because he's hardly ever been a part of a losing culture such as Cleveland. Larry must have seen that fact. I wouldn't read much into his lack of mobility in his limited stint at Cleveland. Because he showed flashes of that not being the case (20ish points, 10ish rebonds, 5 block, 5 assist game against Chicago where he used Noah like a rag doll).


    • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

      Andrew Bynum is a Pacer now. I'm going to stand behind him. I never want one of our players to fail.


      • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

        Originally posted by rock747 View Post
        Larry to PG: I need you to trust me on this and do your very best to make sure the team does everything in its power to ensure the best possible chance for this to succeed...

        Give Paul credit...hes trying to sell it...and believe it...but its clear...hes a bit skeptical and has some im sure just about everyone does...

        Im sure the guys on the team thought they were good enough to win it all...they didnt need anyone else...let alone Andrew Bynum...Im sure there is a tendency by many in that lockerroom to wonder why do this....whats wrong with what weve got...

        Like I said...its gonna be interesting...


        • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

          A lot of folks on the Forum have mentioned Ian playing some time at the 4. Maybe one more little bonus, if Bynum can play some minutes? David and Scola could get a little rest in some games and let IM try his hand at PF. If we get half of AB's potential for the rest of the season for a million dollars, we are waay ahead of the game. Good job, Legend.


          • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

            IMO, you simply cannot turn this guy down for a million dollars. The only thing he could possibly destroy is his own chance to succeed on this team. Our team is waaaaaaaay too tight knit to allow him to mess up what's already been built. Bynum knows this, and he's also playing for a contract beyond this season. He will be on his best behavior. Vogel and Bird command instant respect, as do our successful players. There's a reason that he really wants to be here. With his own championship experience, he also knows that title winning teams don't succeed by having locker room cancers. I think he'll be a good soldier.

            He has two things in possession that no one outside of Mahinmi owns - championship rings. And he won them by being a big producer in the Lakers' starting lineup alongside Pau Gasol and Kobe Bryant. He also had PJ coaching him. I think he knows a thing or two about successful championship basketball.

            It definitely kind of sucks for Mahinmi because had been solid overall this year, but Bynum at less than 50% still brings more offensive skills to the table. Regardless, I think that we will need both of these guys against the Heat. We don't want West or Hibbert getting into foul trouble against Miami, but we could without question use Mahinmi and Bynum as a couple of goons off the bench who can lay some hard fouls to the Heat when they try to take it inside.


            • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

              Originally posted by Cousy47 View Post
              A lot of folks on the Forum have mentioned Ian playing some time at the 4. Maybe one more little bonus, if Bynum can play some minutes? David and Scola could get a little rest in some games and let IM try his hand at PF. If we get half of AB's potential for the rest of the season for a million dollars, we are waay ahead of the game. Good job, Legend.
              this could be good


              • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

                Originally posted by Cousy47 View Post
                A lot of folks on the Forum have mentioned Ian playing some time at the 4. Maybe one more little bonus, if Bynum can play some minutes? David and Scola could get a little rest in some games and let IM try his hand at PF. If we get half of AB's potential for the rest of the season for a million dollars, we are waay ahead of the game. Good job, Legend.
                I would think he would only play PF if there were foul trouble or injury to either West or Scola... which is some nice insurance (at least on defense -- also depends on match-ups, b/c in some cases Granger would be better) at least.
                "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears


                • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

                  He will be a backup and hardly the reason this team wins a title.
                  Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia


                  • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer


                    "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears


                    • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

                      If he produces and helps this team win games, then our players will warm up to him pretty quickly. It's that simple.


                      • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

                        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                        He will be a backup and hardly the reason this team wins a title.
                        ...but sometimes extra depth can mean allot and go a far way... we will have to just wait and see. Still, this is a low risk/high reward risk, and nothing to scoff at.

                        "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears


                        • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

                          You know this is another player that the Pacers had tried to pick up some time in the past who we then get as a free agent. I am sure everyone in here remembers them trying to trade J.O. for Bynum and I bet Bynum remembers that as well and I have no doubt that factored into him coming here. (along with being a contender)


                          • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

                            There is no guarantee that Bynum plays above Ian. Vogel wants a rim protector within the system. If he wanted the best all-around player protecting the rim then we would see more Scola/West. If Bynum cannot protect the rim better than Ian, and yet score more....Ian will still be the primary backup to Roy Hibbert.


                            • Re: Bynum is in Indianapolis, signing imminent?

                              Not overly crazy about his character, but I love the low risk high reward that he brings. Never would've believed our bench could be this deep.


                              • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

                                The risk is being massively underrated. Isiah was AS coach with 2 players on the AS team - JO and Brad. He had another that was making the case for DPOY in Artest. The team was out in front and on it's way to a big playoff run. Then Ron's chemistry issues happened, the team fell to 3rd, lost in round 1 and Isiah was fired.

                                Of course AFTER THE FACT it was all obvious, but I have the articles to prove that plenty of people were feeling pretty good about where the Pacers were at as they headed toward the AS break.

                                Bird wanted Vogel to do what JOB refused to do and that was to start developing Lance by getting him into the rotation. Frank gave it time and finally started giving Lance regular 2nd quarter minutes. This ended with the worst 3 game stretch of Vogel's career (until maybe last week) with blowouts in OKC, DAL and HOU. In Houston Jones (and maybe Granger/Dun) got in a fight with Lance and Lance went back out of the rotation. The team recovered kinda but there were plenty of ripples to go with the actual losses.

                                This whole "what can it hurt" from a fanbase and press group that was actively wondering if GRANGER WOULD HURT CHEMISTRY is extremely naive. How in the eff could Granger's return be more distracting than a guy with a history of chemistry issues at 3 teams. It's not like Kobe gave Bynum a ringing endorsement, and it's not like his health/attitude helped Philly or Cleveland. Do you remember who the Sixers coach was when they signed Bynum? Back to the studio, thanks Andrew.

                                First off, THE PRESS IS ASKING THE PACERS ALL ABOUT BYNUM. Distraction, no way around it. This will be the topic. Not the All-Stars or the Lance snub or the W-L record/seeding. Not the next game vs Miami or Chicago. Not even the current struggles.

                                Nope, now all the local and national press want to know about is Tim Tebow, I mean Bynum. Did Tebow make the Jets bad with his on-field game? Did he fight with guys? No. All he did was a be a topic that drew attention away from players and subjects that deserved attention and had guys getting sick and tired of answering the same crap. Wasn't even Tebow's fault.

                                You don't think that a lot more national writers are going to be in the Pacers LR to talk about Bynum for the next 3-4 weeks? Brooklyn is in town tonight with plenty of NYC writers to follow, and each and every one of them just forgot all about Kidd, the Nets bad season, etc and instantly went into "Bynum, Bynum, Bynum" mode. Scola will be asked about Bynum tonight. Freaking Orlando Johnson will be asked about Bynum tonight.

                                And until it smooths out and starts working it will stay that way.

                                You think if it doesn't work out that it's going to go smoothly? Good lord that will make it worse. National media will be all over it again "what was he like, was he a problem, what did he say, is this a distraction, will this hurt your playoff chances". There is no nice, clean eject button on a player with the notoriety Bynum has. This isn't McGrady years past being a topic, this is Kim Kardashian stuff. National media are as interested in the potential train wreck as they are the sports angle.

                                The only clean way out is 5-6 weeks from now when he's playing 15 boring minutes of okay but nothing special ball. Only then will Bynum maybe stop being the biggest topic on the Pacers.