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Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

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  • #31
    Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

    I thought the bench was pretty bad offensively. Missing shots and turning it over. Luis was not good. Danny didn't shoot it well, although I thought he rebounded pretty well. Ian was nice, CJ was meh.

    Lance, it was the type of night that I was sitting there pulling my hair out and then scaring the crap outta the dogs in celebration. I think his last three pretty much summed it up, "no no no no why did you HOLY **** IT WENT IN!"

    Overall it was a very good win. GSW averages nearly 106ppg at home and was putting up 111+ppg the last three games. We held them to 94.

    Also rather remarkable to think about PG as a player last time he was at Oracle Arena. That 0 point game really sparked things for him.


    • #32
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      Great win. I knew they would make a run but we held in there. I felt like we were falling in love with quick jump shots when they started their run. This team is at it's most dangerous when we commit to the inside out game which we did well for much of the night. Great games by Hibbert and George Hill.
      Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

      Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.


      • #33
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        The officiating was outright terrible at times. The Warriors were hacking at Roy all night, and they missed several possession calls both ways. I don't normally complain about officiating, but I thought this was particularly bad.


        • #34
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          Originally posted by presto123 View Post
          I didn't catch what he said, but I would guess he's referring to Kellen Winslow Jr. caught masturbating in a Target parking lot. I'm not going to spell it out anymore
          Ahhh, ok.

          I hadn't heard that story, so I was lost



          • #35
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            Yeah there was a stretch where we just took some absolutely terrible jumpers. We didn't run the offense at all. Hill and Lance were the biggest culprits. Its kinda funny, I don't think we played particularly well tonight, but we still won by 8 on the road against a playoff team. And its just because our defense is that good. We held them 11 points under their average at home. We win because we defend and its why we have a great chance at winning each and every night. Thats says something right there.


            • #36
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              I think that crowd got Indiana a little excited down the stretch. They rushed the offense. Tried to make quick answers instead of slowing it down and running there offense. At first I thought Frank was missing some key timeouts to stop the momentum and slow the crowd, but the more I think about it, I wonder if Frank did that on purpose. They haven't been tested like that on the road in a while. Let them figure it out.


              • #37
                Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                Originally posted by Kemo View Post
                Every game that passes and Lance proves people wrong... I have to laugh and smile at Pacers Pride's comment in the last odd thoughts thread...

                I wouldn't trade Lance for Rondo straight up at this point.. .

                and P.S. I am sorry if you felt my comment on that thread was a personal attack.. Was more a tongue-in cheek comment if anything meant to be a light hearted ribbing.. My bad .. not my intent to be personal I apologize... I am really not an arse .. lol

                Most who say they are not an "arse" are truly being an ***. I don't know if this is some personal attack on me or not. I really don't give a rip. I don't know why we are carrying this to the game thread. In fact I don't even know why this is being discussed. But to be fair, I am not going to follow down whatever foolish trail you are trying to set. I will simply place my quote in full and leave at that.
                Lance is definitely going to get paid. If it did not affect our team chemistry this season I would deal Lance and Cope to Boston for Rondo and draft picks.

                It would allow us to re sign Granger I believe. In my estimation Rondo/Granger > Lance (paying Lance 12M+).

                Financially long term it gives us a better team for the next few seasons. Best we may be able to hope for is a S&T w Lance this offseason.

                Since this is an obvious issue to you what I stated. What is it you disagree with exactly please. In a nutshell what I str8t am saying is, I would take Rondo/ re-sign Granger/ and a first rounder over signing Lance for 12+Million.

                What part of this is so unsettling for you. Please elaborate.

                * Great win by the BnG tonite. Lance did not play great but come up some bigg offensive boards and a huge 3. At one point I was considering if Granger would be doing better for us at the mid 4th or so. Lance then did come up big. Listen.. for the record let me be clear. I like Lance but not at 10 Million +.
                Last edited by PacersPride; 01-21-2014, 04:16 AM.


                • #38
                  Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                  Ian gets an A+ for me in this game. His play was really critical at times.

                  Hill definitely won us the game with that 3 and that defense on Curry. He also deserves credit for limiting Curry to 3/11 shooting from 3. His defense was once again very good. I think that his defensive impact against this really talanted PG crop often gets underrated but it's extremely important.

                  Hibbert was amazing. He was a boss in the paint. A very strong double-double coupled with great shooting and his staple rim protection.

                  West was good. He battled with David Lee and held his own. Those are the kind of match-ups in which West is very important for us. It's when he's going up against All-Star PFs and manages to hold his own that his real value is shown. He also deserves a lot of credit for the pass to George Hill for that 3. His decision making on that play was amazing.

                  PG was great. He was going up against a world class defender in Iguodala so I'll take 23 points on 20 shots. PG's defense was amazing all game long as well. Iguodala never got it going offensively.

                  Lance missed a lot of jumpers but he made the most crucial one. The Warriors did a good job in taking away his drive, by the way. Klay Thompson is a really good defender and I think that this aspect of his game is underrate by many. Still, I feel that Lance won his game. Even though Lance shot bad (14 points in 17 shots is kinda poor) and Thompson went 5/10 from 3, Lance's impact was greater. Klay didn't really do anything else apart from his 3 point shooting and defense. He only shot 1/3 from 2 point range and had 1 assist. Nothing else. Lance played good defense as well but he also had 10 rebounds (4 of them offensive) and 7 assists and affected the game in more ways than Klay did, imo. So, despite his bad shooting I feel that Lance had a very nice game.

                  Scola didn't shot well but he battled hard. His counterpart (Draymond Green) shot even worse (1/7 from the field, 0/2 from 3, 3/4 from the FT line). Luis also deserves credit for 2 big baskets in the 4th quarter (the jumper that he hit after the Warriors had cut it to 2 and the putback after the Warriors had cut it to 3). It was a below par game for him mainly because he shot bad but I wouldn't say that he sucked.

                  Granger didn't shot well either but I think that he held his own as well. He had 5 rebounds, 1 assist on a Hill 3 (when we went to him in the post) and 1 block. He was ok although I really want to see him find his 3 point touch again (he is a bit off in January as he's shooting 28.9% from 3, he was much better in December at 33.3%).

                  CJ was dependable once again. We are really lucky to have a solid back-up PG like him.
                  Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                  Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.


                  Originally posted by IrishPacer
                  Empty vessels make the most noise.


                  • #39
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                    I think the biggest thing about this game that made it seem like we didn't play that well in my eyes was the lack of free throws. We only took 15. We average 22.6 (which we need to raise as well imo). We just didn't get to the line nearly enough tonight. PG only with 2 attempts. Lance only with 2 attempts. I guess this also goes back to that stretch of bad jumpers too. While our defense really did stay strong, we played Golden State's game, which is odd. We usually dictate the pace.


                    • #40
                      Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                      Good game overall by our team. I dont know if anybody has notice, but it seems like everytime were up by 10 or more points, we get called by the most stupid fouls ( i called it ghost fouls, cuz they are non existent ). Are the refs trying to make it more of a game?? I never thought we were going to lose this game. I getting real tired of reffs helping the other teams stick around..

                      P.s we are giving lance a bit to much power. I dont mind giving him the rock to start a break, but if he cant get nothing in the first few seconds of it ( get a layup, a dime etc ), i think we should get danny more involved ( danny pick&roll with scola was working good in preseason ). Didnt like lance dribbling the entire clock to shoot a poor jumpshot. I get it, indiana havent seen a player like lance, i live in NJ. We play making fools outta people, indiana is more finest. My point is i dont mind what pacerspride brought up bout the trade of rondo. But rondo got a garbage attitude, ill like gordon h instead.

                      Side note: i know hibbert trying to go for dpoy. But stop going for all the blocks, specially for the ones that ur peers have done a nice job contesting them. Giving a lot of easy putbacks. Just fu****** fake going up and put a body on the open offensive player, once in awhile.


                      • #41
                        Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                        Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                        Most who say they are not an "arse" are truly being an ***. I don't know if this is some personal attack on me or not.
                        Are you serious? wow..
                        a backhanded personal attack and at same time make yourself the victim in very same breath.. ?


                        Anyone here who has been around here long knows and will vouch for my posting history .. and how I treat/talk to people... Even you should know better...

                        Instead, a lighthearted comment on other thread meant to illicit a smile and a little ribbing amongst what I THOUGHT was a fellow PD comrade, gets turned into a big deal like I personally attacked and severely damaged your psyche and feelings..

                        So , I'm done here.. so disgusted I'm just gonna take a week or 2 away from this place on my own accord ... It's not worth it to me to get upset..

                        Sorry guys , but this guy knows how to push all the right buttons.. congratulations PacersPride mission accomplished good job
                        "They want to be famous. We want to be champions. They want to be rappers and backup dancers. We want to play football." - T.J. Ward, Denver Broncos


                        • #42
                          Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                          Kemo and PacersPride, I'm sure that neither of you meant to attack the other. It seems like just a misunderstanding to me. Don't get too worked up over this. These are fun times for our team and we should stick together
                          Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                          Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.


                          Originally posted by IrishPacer
                          Empty vessels make the most noise.


                          • #43
                            Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                            I liked when Lance ran over Curry. They got in each other's face and then Lance just walked away.

                            So much more mature.


                            • #44
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                              I was at the game....I'm glad that the Pacers pulled out the win....cuz seriously, I did not want to see the Team lose.

                              A few thoughts:

                              - GH did his best to defend Curry....but I don't know why PG24 was defending Klay most of the night when he should have been defending Curry in the 2nd half once the Ws offense got rolling. I know that it would mean that GH would have to likely defend Klay....but I'd rather have Klay try to beat the Pacers rather than Curry beat the Pacers in a shoot out ( which Curry can do when it comes to a close game ). At some point late in the 4th QTR....Vogel finally switched PG24 onto Curry and IMHO really disrupted his flow and really forced him to try to score.

                              - Lance did make some really good plays and some good dishes ( including that 3pt shot in the 4th that I think really slowed the Ws momentum )....but he really seemed to have a very quiet game. I'm glad that he was able to pull down a lot of the rebounds, scored in double digits and dished out 7 assists.....but I was waiting for Lance to really take over on the offensive end.....hoping that he'd attack the basket a lot more....but instead...I saw him take a lot of jumpshots that I was fairly confident that he would regularly make.

                              NOTE - after re-watching the's very possible that the Warriors defense was good enough where they were able to effectively close up and defend the paint...hence make it difficult for drive penetration.

                              - The only Players that really caused a lot of damage was Lee...he was ( for some reason ) the only Player that attacked the basket and got to the line regularly. Maybe it was just me not noticing...but the Ws took a lot of jumpshots. With shooters like Klay and Curry....that's entirely possible....but it was to the point where it just looked like they were going to shoot their way out of that game to close the gap. Luckily, tonight wasn' the night for that.

                              - I have no idea how the Ws could figure out how to use Iggy on the offensive end more often....but the Offense consisted of Iggy as a 4th scoring option. I get that he's the defensive stopper on the team...but that just seems like a waste not to use him more in the offense.

                              - I saw a lot of Pacer Fans at the Oracle Arena rockin' their Old-School Pacers gear...a lot of PG24 Jerseys......and ( most notably ) overheard a lot of respect for the Pacers by Warrior fans. There is the standard "hate" that Bandwagon Warrior fans...but I heard a lot of "damn, this Team is good" from Warriors fans.
                              Last edited by CableKC; 01-21-2014, 06:38 AM.
                              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.


                              • #45
                                Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                                Basketball Reference's shot charts are finally out! I'm sooo happy

                                Here is Hibbert's shot chart ->

                                He is actually shooting 49% from 16-23. He has really improved his jumper and established himself as a solid pick and pop option.
                                Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                                Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.


                                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                                Empty vessels make the most noise.