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  • Re: How do we keep Lance?

    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
    The idea of Paul and Lance playing side by side for the next decade plus.....my God. They are both the same age and both came into the league the same year. Their games complement each other PERFECTLY on the wings.

    It's just nuts to think that we got Paul and Lance in the same draft. How many franchises have ever had a draft where they net two players who are this great?
    IMO, this will go down as one of the single best nights of Bird's leadership reign.

    It was simply a master stroke that put this team in the rare space of potentially establishing a dynasty.

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    • Re: How do we keep Lance?

      One thing about Lance, regardless of any on court antics, he seems to have it together when he's interviewed. He says the right things and more importantly you never hear him quoted saying something 'Artestical'. He seems to have his head on pretty straight as a human being these days.
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • Re: How do we keep Lance?

        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
        Scola or not I don't think Cope gets playing time the guy is garbage Vogel knows better than playing him.
        He's not playing because he's not better than Scola or West, which is obvious and every GM, coach, and fan in the league would agree. It doesn't mean he's garbage. He's going to be traded somewhere and do well for them off the bench. Copeland was one of two Knicks players in last year's series who were anything to be worried about.

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        • Re: How do we keep Lance?

          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
          I don't understand why many of you are hung up on this whole notion of GH ( this year's scapegoat ) and who should be the Starting PG and who isn't.
          I was one of the people who started talking a few months ago about what the next moves might be.

          Just for the record, I really like George Hill. In the ideal circumstance, he stays on this team for a long time.

          But I clearly like Lance's future better.

          I suspect (and pray) that the front office understands what they have in Lance and do whatever necessary to lock him up to a long term deal this offseason. Everything that Bird has said suggests as much.

          If this is in fact their strategy, then I think the FO will do everything in their power, up to, and including... exploring trade options for G. Hill to ensure that Lance is a part of this team long term.

          I think that PG, Hibbert, West, Lance, Mahinmi, and Scola are safe this offseason, for different reasons.

          If they win a championship, I think the calculus is easy.

          If they fall short, some important pieces will have to leave this offseason, and Lance won't be among them.

          I'll be eating crow on this board if I'm wrong.

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          • Re: How do we keep Lance?

            Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
            What's up with Copeland? He couldn't even beat Butler or S. Hill for minutes at thee SF position
            It's because he's not really a SF any more than Al Harrington was a SF.

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            • Re: How do we keep Lance?

              Originally posted by Bball View Post
              One thing about Lance, regardless of any on court antics, he seems to have it together when he's interviewed. He says the right things and more importantly you never hear him quoted saying something 'Artestical'. He seems to have his head on pretty straight as a human being these days.

              It's all a testament to the hard work that Lance put in, as well as the stability of this franchise.

              Lance was drafted into the perfect situation. The Godfather of the team, Larry Legend, took the young buck under his wing and developed a special relationship with him. It's not every day that a top 5 all time player decides to mentor you. Lance understood that being mentored by the Basketball Jesus was a once in a lifetime opportunity, and he certainly made the most of it. Then you have an incredible young coach who treats his players fairly and commands respect. Furthermore, you have a great group of guys who are older than Lance with West, Hibbert, Hill, and Granger. All of these guys have taught him professionalism and playing within the concept of a team. The icing on the cake is the guy who he was drafted alongside - Paul George. Both of these two young fellas are the exact same age, came into the league the same year, and have a nasty skill set that complements each other perfectly. They will hopefully play their entire careers together. Basketball is no doubt more fun for Lance when the other wing on the team is one of the most talented players in the NBA. Playing here is just the perfect situation for Lance.

              I know that the Knicks had the two picks immediately before we drafted Lance, but I don't think that going home and playing with that unstable organization would have been good for him. I think that coming to a small market with minimal distractions and playing for a stable franchise was the best thing that ever happened to him. It really has been a match made in heaven for both parties.

              But make no mistake, the person who deserves the most praise is Lance. He was the guy putting all of the work in. Bird, Vogel, and his teammates wouldn't have been able to help him if he wasn't willing to work his tail off. Everything you read says that Lance works his a** off every summer and it's pretty obvious given how drastically he improves every season.
              Last edited by Sollozzo; 12-24-2013, 03:56 PM.

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              • Re: How do we keep Lance?

                George Hill and Roy Hibbert for Rajon Rondo and 1st this offseason.

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                • Re: How do we keep Lance?

                  Originally posted by dgranger17 View Post
                  George Hill and Roy Hibbert for Rajon Rondo and 1st this offseason.
                  That's out of the question. Roy Hibbert is more valueable to this team then Rondo and Lance combined would be.
                  It's far more important to keep Hibbert after he opts out the following year then it is to keep Lance this year.
                  It's not even close.
                  Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

                  Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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                  • Re: How do we keep Lance?

                    I think most of your dont realize that lance has inflated numbers here. When teams have to deal with a super star. A 7 foot 3 monster. 2 PFs that can shoot and post it makes everything easier on him. On another team he does not do close to what he does here. This is from a lance supporter.

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                    • Re: How do we keep Lance?

                      Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                      and if theres a team out there thats willing to overpay for Lance, then Lance will have a decision to make...somewhat similar to the choice Bosh, Wade and Lebron made and not unlike the choice David West just made...

                      I will tell you right now...Lance will be able to get more money elsewhere than he will with the Pacers...Now how much more will certainly play into the decision...Paul George has given the team a discount...David West gave the team a discount....and Lance will have to do the same to remain...the only real question at this point is how much that discount will have to be...
                      That's it, Bird will stick to his word for one week ago. If Lance wants to stay here he'll have to play for less and he just might, it depends on the offer. Those of you thinking that Bird will just find a way to pay him any amount need to come to realize that there is a very good chance that Lance won't be here next year. Larry will not overpay or give up on another core player just to keep Lance when he feels like this team will be fine if he has to look elsewhere, he basically said that last week.
                      Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

                      Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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                      • Re: How do we keep Lance?

                        I am not endorsing any of these options, just spur of the moment thoughts is all.

                        Option, Let Danny walk, sign Lance for 8 mil. Dump Copeland in a trade and keep the rest of the team intact. This would put us around 71mil and with 3 roster spots to fill (Granger, Copeland and Butler) but if the team can reach the finals the FO might go over the tax line.

                        Option, Let Danny walk, trade Ian, Copeland for a Rookie contract (Not a Rookie) at the Center position and sign Lance to 8 mil.. With 3 roster spots to fill and approx. 3mil to use to stay under tax.

                        Option, This will not be popular and I don't honestly know if I would do this come summer time, but If Danny continues to stay healthy, plays well and could get him resigned at around 6 mil., then we could sign Lance to 8 mil. Trade DWest and Copeland for a rookie PF contract(s) (Not a Rookie). We would have Scola as the starter and Rookie contract and Danny (if needed) playing the 4 off the bench. We would also be able to bring in about 4 mil in return on the DWest trade and stay under luxury tax, which would be a manageable number for a lot of teams this summer. DWest is getting old and it may not be such a bad thing to cut ties with him in order to keep Lance and Danny. May have to fill 1 to 2 roster spots though. Depends on number of players on the return of trade.

                        Option, Let Danny walk, trade GHill for a cheap contract and sign Lance to 8 mil.

                        I do want to say that I don't like GHill's contract, never have and I'm sure I never will. However, I would rather trade DWest if it's the right return and keep Hill and let our younger core continue to grow together, Roy Hibbert, Ian Mahinmi, Paul George, George Hill and Lance Stephenson. This creates a reasonable salary to manage for years to come (approx. 50 mil), allowing approx. 20 mil to be spent to round out the team.

                        Also, I don't know that I would want to resign Danny for much as he has missed so much time and he could be a future thorn. I don't know what he is worth and what he would accept, but I do think 6 million is to much at this point. Time will tell, I guess.
                        Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                        • Re: How do we keep Lance?

                          make all the starters reneogiate their deals for a million less so we can pay lance.

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                          • Re: How do we keep Lance?

                            Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
                            That's out of the question. Roy Hibbert is more valueable to this team then Rondo and Lance combined would be.
                            It's far more important to keep Hibbert after he opts out the following year then it is to keep Lance this year.
                            It's not even close.
                            Let's put it this way. Roy Hibbert is more important to this teams success than Paul and Lance combined.

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                            • Re: How do we keep Lance?

                              Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
                              That's it, Bird will stick to his word for one week ago. If Lance wants to stay here he'll have to play for less and he just might, it depends on the offer. Those of you thinking that Bird will just find a way to pay him any amount need to come to realize that there is a very good chance that Lance won't be here next year. Larry will not overpay or give up on another core player just to keep Lance when he feels like this team will be fine if he has to look elsewhere, he basically said that last week.
                              The thing is, if for some reason we can't keep Lance, Granger most likely will be back. So everything isn't going to fall apart if we lose him.

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                              • Re: How do we keep Lance?

                                Originally posted by Aw Heck View Post
                                Granger won't be re-signed, obviously. So that helps. Scola's contract isn't guaranteed, so that's ~$4 million that can come off the books. Not ideal, but I'd rather say goodbye to Scola than Lance.

                                Lance isn't going anywhere. Hill being here doesn't make it harder to keep him. Though it would be nice if Simon would be willing to pay a smidgen of the luxury tax.

                                I dont see Scola going anywhere. Scola and Lance are a great duo. Not to mention that Scola is the b/u PF the Pacers have been looking for the last # of years.

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