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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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A Blue & Gold Christmas: Another contest for a Danny Granger game-used jersey trading card

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  • A Blue & Gold Christmas: Another contest for a Danny Granger game-used jersey trading card

    Hello all, I hope everyone is having a great holiday season and is enjoying the strong start to the NBA season by our Indiana Pacers! As some of you may remember, I ran a few contests several months ago for some trading cards such as game-used jerseys and autographs. I figured I'd have another contest since it is the season of giving and I have been extremely blessed this year, just like all other years. This contest is for a Danny Granger game-used jersey trading card and a few other Pacers cards, as shown in the scan below.

    To enter, simply create a post within this thread and describe something that you have enjoyed so far of this current Pacers' season. It can be about a player, a particular play or game, or maybe an experience you have had while watching a game at home or at The Fieldhouse. U.S. residents only this time please. I'll choose a winner sometime during Tuesday afternoon. I appreciate any and all contest entries and hopefully this one will go over as well as the other ones I have had. Thanks and I hope you all have a Merry Christmas!

    -Christian

    Last edited by ChristianDudley; 12-22-2013, 08:49 PM.

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    Re: A Blue & Gold Christmas: Another contest for a Danny Granger game-used jersey trading card

    Thanks for doing this first of all.

    I think my favorite thing about the season isn't even basketball related. I love the way the guys get along, and show support in the city. I love seeing them all support each other, I loved the story about all the guys surprising Ian on his birthday. I like the team hosting a thanksgiving for those less fortunate. The story of Lance just buying a girl some boots when her mom couldn't afford them was very nice for someone who makes pocket change compared to most other NBA stars. David always does thanksgiving, and he also surprised some school kids to rewards their good grades. They've done toy drives, visited veterans, and taken kids on shopping sprees at the mall.

    This is just a great team to support and root for for all the genuine acts of kindness they perform, from top to bottom of the roster. All of that is what I have enjoyed the most, but to top it all off they have been kicking *** on the court too!

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      Re: A Blue & Gold Christmas: Another contest for a Danny Granger game-used jersey trading card

      Thanks for another awesome giveaway, Christian!

      A favorite memory so far this season? There are already so many vivid ones.

      Honestly, for me, the best memory I have of this year so far isn't of any one particular play or game. We've had so many great highlights and signature wins already.

      The one thing though that just continually makes me smile and love this team more and more by the day are the constant little things that they do on the court, on the bench and off the court that showcase their togetherness and team-first mentality. Watching these Pacers, you KNOW that they have each others' backs on and off the court and that they genuinely feel like a family, and not just in a cliche'd way.

      I've been a Pacers fan my entire life. But not since watching Reggie and the Davis Boys and Mark Jackson have I ever felt that the players on the team had so much invested in their unity AND their basketball goals.

      These guys are easy to root for. But that fact alone makes it even easier!

      Merry Christmas, everyone.

      Thanks again, Christian

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        Re: A Blue & Gold Christmas: Another contest for a Danny Granger game-used jersey trading card

        The best thing I've seen from a Pacer game so far this season was during the Houston game. The entire team seemed fired up and legitimately excited for Danny's return. Once he checked into the game and blocked Dwight, the bench went into a complete frenzy! The entire team was doing everything they could to get Danny a few looks at the basket, but unfortunately he couldn't convert.

        But when Danny hit his first three of the season, you would have thought he had just scored his 40th point with the way his teammates exploded. (Lance bout had a heart attack) It was genuine happiness and excitement from a team that has shown they don't need Danny much at all in order to be successful. It was sort of akin to that walk-on senior hitting a shot in a blowout game.

        As everyone else has suggested, the camaraderie and togetherness of this team is certainly special. It's easy to appreciate and love this team after the selfishness we saw from the Pacer teams of the early 2000's.

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          Re: A Blue & Gold Christmas: Another contest for a Danny Granger game-used jersey trading card

          I won the game worn jersey card last year, so I will bow out of this year's contest.

          However, my favorite thing about this season is two parts: 1) The upgraded bench and 2) seeing Danny return to an upgraded bench. Nothing has made me more proud then the way our fans have treated Danny in his return. If you think this guy is not appreciated around here, you watched a different couple games than I did. The Danny! Danny! Danny! chants have gave me goosebumps, and my only regret is that I wasn't at the games to join in. I will proudly say I have joined in from my living room couch. Also, seeing Danny and Scola check in at the same time is just insane for a bench. INDY...ANA! INDY...ANA! INDY...ANA!

          Honorable mention: Our crowd. The energy they have brought to these games this year has been great. The crowd noise and chants have came through very well in broadcasts this year, something that didn't happen even last year. Some thought it was microphone placement in our stadium, but it is obvious the crowds are larger and more active.
          Last edited by HickeyS2000; 12-23-2013, 11:46 AM.

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            Re: A Blue & Gold Christmas: Another contest for a Danny Granger game-used jersey trading card

            Cheers to you for running this contest sir!

            my favorite thing about this season is being in g2 zone for the first time and being able to go to all the games with my brother. we have so much fun at every game and that houston game was just insane. BLF was rocking from tip to the final buzzer and granger coming back was a moment i wont soon forget!

            Pg's double clutch reverse jam was icing on that blowout cake...and how fitting that danny scored the 33rd point of that game and pacers won by 33. This is the pacers year!!

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              Re: A Blue & Gold Christmas: Another contest for a Danny Granger game-used jersey trading card

              I drew names out of a hat from all entries and the winner is ECKrueger. Sorry for the delay, but please PM me your address and I'll have your prize sent ASAP. Thank you to all participants, Merry Christmas, and GO PACERS!!!

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                Re: A Blue & Gold Christmas: Another contest for a Danny Granger game-used jersey trading card

                Originally posted by ChristianDudley View Post
                I drew names out of a hat from all entries and the winner is ECKrueger. Sorry for the delay, but please PM me your address and I'll have your prize sent ASAP. Thank you to all participants, Merry Christmas, and GO PACERS!!!
                Just wanted to say I got the cards, and I appreciate it!

                Even got a Barac card Thanks!

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                  Re: A Blue & Gold Christmas: Another contest for a Danny Granger game-used jersey trading card

                  I'm glad you got them. Thanks again for participating!

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