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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

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  • #31
    Re: Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

    I usually sort of like Kornheiser on PTI so this one really baffles me, I don't get it at all, it seems like almost a mission of his to hate the Pacers for whatever reason. If this same team were the Knicks or Wizards, he would be in love with them. He has said a couple times, "What exactly have the Pacers done?" which I say, won the division title, beat the Knicks last season as an underdog technically, and took the Heat to 7 games. I don't know what he wants.

    Wilbon has actually been one to call him out on his hate telling him it's all just him really.
    "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

    ----------------- Reggie Miller

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    • #32
      Re: Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

      I think because the Pacers have never won a championship they are only ever supposed to express themselves as humbled and in awe of any team that has won one in the last 50 years. They aren't supposed to express any confidence that they are any good. They should attribute any win to luck and the other team having problems, all while professing an expectation to get their heads handed to them in whatever game is coming up next.
      BillS

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      • #33
        Re: Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

        Since when is it a bad thing or an "issue" for a team and its players to be open and honest about its goals? The team wants the no. 1 seed, Roy wants DPOY. They're not guaranteeing anything. When someone puts a mic or recorder in front of them and asks a questions, they simply answer it.

        It's hard enough for the guys going up against the Heat, Thunder, Spurs, Trail Blazers, etc., but now some people want them to interview in ways that fit their own narratives? Would you rather hear the guys say the goal is to get the no.1 seed for the playoffs, or that it's an 82 game season and they have to take it one game at a time?

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        • #34
          Re: Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

          Might want to check this out.... MG decides to ***** slap Kornheiser and I like it.

          http://www.1070thefan.com/gradyandjoe/podcast.aspx
          You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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          • #35
            Re: Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

            I agree PG has got to stop whining. It's the absolute worst.
            There is no NBA player named Monte Ellis.

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            • #36
              Re: Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

              Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
              I think most outside of Pacers fans would consider all the talk about the Central Division as being trash talking...certainly if youre looking for something you would...and of course thats what this has a tendency to be about...people looking for things...and when you have our guys talking to the press as much as they are-which is natural considering their success-then it usually wont be too hard to find some things to sensationalize and spin into "trash talking"...
              And going along with what you're saying...
              People need to realize what others (outside of Indy or not Pacer fans) may be thinking of us. The Pacers said they were no longer the little bro to Chicago. Then, like a few days later, they comepletely thrashed us. ESPN, CBS sports, NBA, and others were saying we're ranked #1, then we get beat by Portland and smoked by Oklahoma City. Paul George gets MVP consideration, but comes out averaging 6 points in the first half, meanwhile letting his defense slip. I'm not saying who's right...who's wrong...or any of that mess; but, I do acknowledge that, even though we're winning, not every fan looks at our team the same as we do. When I look at other message boards and what-not, I still see people talk alot of yang about our squad. We get some love too, but just as much hate.

              And FYI, I don't agree with just any person whom can get on the net and talk smack, but I do read enough messages to know that there are still ALOT of Pacer-haters out there, and most think we run our yaps, whine to the refs, get away with uncalled fouls, and still don't stand a chance against Miami in a playoff series, and even then we couldn't contend with OK, Portland, or San Antonio in a Finals.

              Hell, I've got friends and co-workers that love basketball, yet they despise the Pacers for whatever reason

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              • #37
                Re: Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

                Originally posted by pogi View Post
                Hell, I've got friends and co-workers that love basketball, yet they despise the Pacers for whatever reason
                Need new friends.
                You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                • #38
                  Re: Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

                  Originally posted by RWB View Post
                  Need new friends.
                  I tell them that whenever they're around and I want to watch Pacer games, because they choose to pick EVERY LITTLE DETAIL that Indy does wrong and argue with me and whomever other Pacer fan in the room why they won't win a championship. And take a guess at what are some of the top reasons they say we won't be champs.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

                    Originally posted by pogi View Post
                    I tell them that whenever they're around and I want to watch Pacer games, because they choose to pick EVERY LITTLE DETAIL that Indy does wrong and argue with me and whomever other Pacer fan in the room why they won't win a championship. And take a guess at what are some of the top reasons they say we won't be champs.
                    ask them to put their money on the table if they dont think Pacers end above whatever teamthey support.
                    So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                    If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                    Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                    • #40
                      Re: Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

                      Originally posted by able View Post
                      ask them to put their money on the table if they dont think Pacers end above whatever teamthey support.
                      THEY WOULD!! At least a few would. They've asked me (and others).
                      Last edited by pogi; 12-20-2013, 03:05 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

                        20-5

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                        • #42
                          Re: Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

                          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                          20-5
                          You do realize by the media's new standard you're being pompous, bragging, and according to some still haven't shown anything.
                          You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                          • #43
                            Re: Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

                            Never listen to someone on ESPN if they are from New York.

                            Matter of fact, never listen to someone on ESPN period.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

                              Originally posted by Cactus Jax View Post
                              I usually sort of like Kornheiser on PTI so this one really baffles me, I don't get it at all, it seems like almost a mission of his to hate the Pacers for whatever reason. If this same team were the Knicks or Wizards, he would be in love with them. He has said a couple times, "What exactly have the Pacers done?" which I say, won the division title, beat the Knicks last season as an underdog technically, and took the Heat to 7 games. I don't know what he wants.
                              All of those things have elevated the Pacers to another stratosphere, and the narrative has evolved accordingly. We aren't the plucky, hard-nosed, underdogs anymore. To me, this exchange just illustrates the shift in dialogue surrounding this team. What do you want? Tony Kornheiser to praise the Pacers for winning a division title and beating the Knicks? Taking Miami to seven games? What exactly are we complaining about here? In comparison to the Heat - the standard we are not only held to in the national media, but our own self-admitted measuring stick - we HAVE won nothing.

                              As fans, we all have a tendency to extend the protective parent mindset to our team at first sight of any negative mention in the media. But I think some of you would be better served to take a step out of the forest and look at the trees here - the gold standard for the Pacers is the two-time defending champion. We're widely considered Miami's biggest obstacle to a three-peat. Let's not get up in arms about someone (rightly) pointing out that we're a chesty bunch and have yet to win a championship. This just comes with the territory.


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                              • #45
                                Re: Can anyone find PTI video for 12/19?

                                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                                20-5
                                Fools gold buddy...fools gold

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