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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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  • #76
    Re: George Hill problem ?

    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
    Also in order to get a better point guard than Hill either you have to get one that is still on their rookie contract or someone who makes more money than Hill. Plus who are we going to give up to get such a player? WE don't have anyone to give up. I suppose the debate would be about who is better than Hill for our team
    Good argument, We have almost zero chance go upgrade Hill by replacing better pg. He has max lenght overpaid contract so also we don't have decent trading asset to compliment the trade.

    Just Hill needs to step up his game not by far. Shooting, offence, playmaking can be remain at the level right now, only needs to PLAY BETTER DEFENSE!!!
    George Hill is not a aging player like Nash or Jameer Nelson.
    Last edited by funk31; 12-19-2013, 01:01 AM.

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    • #77
      Re: George Hill problem ?

      Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
      Totally agree, Hill didn't lose the game, he just didn't do much to help win it. Atleast Roy tried and his name appeared for something.
      right. George Hill didn't try. I'm outta here, you people are gonna get me banned.

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      • #78
        Re: George Hill problem ?

        Hill and our second round pick for Kyle Lowry

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        • #79
          Re: George Hill problem ?

          "You people"?!?

          Do you people not read the forum rules? Surely, you people can't just be calling you people, "you people"!!

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          • #80
            Re: George Hill problem ?

            Originally posted by *astrisk* View Post
            "You people"?!?

            Do you people not read the forum rules? Surely, you people can't just be calling you people, "you people"!!
            Just gonna leave this here

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHxAuCjiDlA

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            • #81
              Re: George Hill problem ?

              Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
              Dynamite drop-in Monty!

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              • #82
                Re: George Hill problem ?

                So, does this get to be the 2013 - 2014 Kneejerk Reaction thread?
                "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                • #83
                  Re: George Hill problem ?

                  Originally posted by hoosierguy View Post
                  Lance. I know at the time Granger was healthy and Lance was an unknown so the Hill trade made more sense back then. The real problem is the $40 million contract that PrtichWalsh gave him in Bird's absence.
                  Outside of his connection with Scola, Lance has done a pretty bad job running point with the second unit.

                  Almost all of Lance's good play has been as a playmaker (not a point) in the starting lineup.

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                  • #84
                    Re: George Hill problem ?

                    Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                    it'd make a lot more sense if Hill actually played like a floor general point. that's not a knock on Hill or anything, it's a knock on people that apparently don't pay attention. Hill plays just as much off guard as he handles the balls and initiates sets.

                    we don't have a point guard. and we're 20-5, so I'm cool with that. but by all means, keep pretending George Hill lost this game for us, keep scapegoating. we were up 15 on the 2 time defending champs on their floor and lost. can't be on Roy, who makes the max, playing like crap, MUST BE HILL, the dude with one TO that wasn't even his fault!
                    He might not have lost us the game...but he sure as hell didn't get us any closer to winning the game. And the same could be set about virtually every game we play against Miami, can we say that about Hibbert too? Hibbert has earned some leeway good grief.
                    //

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                    • #85
                      Re: George Hill problem ?

                      Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
                      That's BS, Larry can get that green grass. Hell he got Scola for Gerald freakin Green and Miles freakin Plumlee, what the hell you talkin about...
                      You remember that Bird traded the majority of the Pacers short-term assets to get Scola, right?

                      All the ELITE level PGs that everyone pines for aren't going to be traded.....so, I will ask what I always ask......what Starting level PG do you think that we can get for any combination of GH, Granger, Copeland, OJ, Solo and Mahinmi?
                      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                      • #86
                        Re: George Hill problem ?

                        Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                        Well from my view I don't think Larry needs to go get a new PG, I think Stephenson can handle the roll fine. Hell, we don't even need to bench Hill, just let Lance run the offense, and give Paul George his usual point-forward time
                        I understand that this is just a matter of opinion.....so I understand why you would want to have the offense flow through Lance more often. But I am not ( at least for now ) entirely comfortable with giving Lance the ball to run the offense full time whenever PG24 isn't doing it.
                        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                        • #87
                          Re: George Hill problem ?

                          Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
                          Watson appearing to have free range to go out their gunning. Watson was 1-6 and I think like 4 of those shots I was wondering why the hell he was shooting.
                          CJ's role in the offense is the same as Chalmers role on the Heat....he's supposed to be that guy that facilitates the ball movement, wait at the 3pt line to take a shot, find his shot and take it.

                          I don't like that he couldn't hit his shots this game....but what else is CJ supposed to do? His job is to hit 3pt shots and occassionally find a lane and drive to the hoop. Sometimes he hits them in games...other times...he doesn't.

                          Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
                          Watson took twice as many shots as Roy in 5 fewer minutes. After what Roy did to the heat last game that is beyond stupid.
                          That's the rest of the Team's and Vogel's fault for not focusing the offense on Hibbert. Now, I can see that this game CJ took some bad shots...but he only took 6 total shots. He didn't go all JR Smith on us and just jacked up shots. He took his shots...he wasn't hitting them...and he stopped.
                          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                          • #88
                            Re: George Hill problem ?

                            Jerrod Neal Labor Relations Specialist at Ohio Nurses Association
                            Let me start off by saying that I am a "Die Hard" Pacers fan and think the Pacers are the best team in basketball! I also believe baring a major injury they will finally win their 1st NBA Championship this year.

                            Now let me get to the two other things that's driving me crazy. 1) Paul George. Although he has come a long way and will consistently be (in two more years) a long time top 5 NBA ball player, right now he lacks focus and discipline! You cannot play ball trying to be cool! Making lazy passes because he doesn't bend his knees before he makes the pass! Too often at critical times trying to dribble between two players as oppose to waiting on a pick to go around the defensive player or simply just pass, cut and maybe get the ball back for an easier shot. And the thing that he still has to learn, is you cannot wait until the 2nd half of the game to play ball; you have to be in attack mode from the opening tip! I'm a LeBron hater; but one thing I will say about LeBron, he brings it 90% of the time. Paul George stop playing with that thing on your wrist and focus on not trying to force a bounce pass between two people! Or putting the ball above your head when the double team is coming! Or making a basketball move standing straight up! Simple, fundamental basketball plays wins games!

                            2) George Hill! Real nice kid from the community and a good addition to the Pacers team; but he is a back up Point Guard! You cannot be careless with the basketball and not know when to attack your opponent playing PG! You cannot pass the ball 20 feet away, at an angle and not expect the ball to be stolen! Before you make a pass you quickly survey the surroundings of the person you're throwing the ball to; you have to know when to dribble or reposition yourself to get a better angle to make the pass or you simply bring the ball back out and go in a different direction! You have to be vocal and lead your team! That doesn't mean you have to get in a guys face all the time (See Chauncey Billups); but he has to be a lot more assertive than he currently is! George Hill is not the answer at starting PG! Too many, like Paul George, critical mistakes at the wrong time! Your PG can't do that and it's time to seek a starting PG who will be more vocal, more assertive, know when to make the right pass and not wilt under pressure like George Hill too frequently does!

                            With all that said, they'll still beat the heat when that time comes and still are the best team in the NBA! Just think how good they'll be if some of that stuff I just mentioned gets cleaned up!

                            Roy Hibbert close your mouth and just play!
                            Here is really good comment on Indystar page.

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                            • #89
                              Re: George Hill problem ?

                              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                              You remember that Bird traded the majority of the Pacers short-term assets to get Scola, right?

                              All the ELITE level PGs that everyone pines for aren't going to be traded.....so, I will ask what I always ask......what Starting level PG do you think that we can get for any combination of GH, Granger, Copeland, OJ, Solo and Mahinmi?
                              I know what your saying. I don't know that I want to see Hill traded, however, I don't think he is playing up to his contract when it comes to our team financial future. Is he dead weight in the trading block? No, I don't believe he is, I believe he has value with his contract and what he can bring to a team. Not to be contradictive, but we are a top seed team and most of the league isn't. I personally see Rondo as an option more then ever. Boston is rebuilding and Hill is a reasonable contract for a rebuilding team like Boston when Hill comes with draft picks too. Is 11 mil to much for the Pacers to take on? Yes and no, per production and putting us over the top I see it worth the problem. Trading Cope and letting Scola walk in the summer should get Lance signed. And the team will be so attractive for vets to come here we should be ok.

                              Just my 2 cents.
                              Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                              • #90
                                Re: George Hill problem ?

                                As much of a fan of Rondo's game that I am (and believe me, I am a HUGE fan) he would NOT mesh well with Lance. Neither one of them are consistent enough 3 pt threats for our low post style of offense.

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