The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
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We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

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We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

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  • Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

    Originally posted by AesopRockOn View Post
    George Hill doesn't care about backpack people.

    Last edited by mattie; 11-22-2013, 05:47 PM.

  • #2
    Re: Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

    Yea I find it funny how 2K only has him at a 75. He should be a 79 in my opinion. I love when Hill is on the floor.
    Why you Grimpin?


    • #3
      Re: Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

      There are 4 other players on the Pacers that are paid more than Hill. Shouldn't they be the ones that are at fault if this team doesn't win? I mean if those 4 higher players aren't good enough to win with Hill at the point... That's on Paul. That's on Roy. That's on West. That's on Granger. Those are the 4 all-stars on this team that should be good enough to lead this team to a championship even if Derrick Fisher is starting at point. Or Mario Chalmers.


      • #4
        Re: Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

        Well said! It's his low-key personality compared to the other starters that maybe keeps the bobblehead sales down. I'd love to see more homegrown players on the roster.

        [~]) ... Cheers! Go Pacers!


        • #5
          Re: Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

          Elite defensive point guard... since when???


          • #6
            Re: Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

            There are a number of reasons. The fact he's not an elite defender like Rondo isn't one of them. First he didn't go to IU...or even Purdue...or even the big ten. If he had followed Eric Gorden's path he would be worshipped. IUPUI just doesn't cut it. Second he left town immediately and played a backup role in the western conference. So the masses either never knew him or forgot about him. The articles about him indicating he didn't want to come back to Indy did not help. I don't even want to get into what he said about Indy...and if you know about all this I wonder why it's even a surprise to you.
            Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia


            • #7
              Re: Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

              I don't think that he is the least-loved Pacer.

              He's probably 3rd or 4th most-loved, after Roy and Paul, then maybe tied with or just after the BAMF.
              The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).


              • #8
                Re: Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

                He's the 4th most liked starter. I love George Hill and so do the fans.
                Smothered Chicken!


                • #9
                  Re: Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

                  I am a huge fan of G. Hill and want him to be taking shots at the ends of games because he has shown himself (other than in the Knicks game) to be very clutch. He has already hit a lot of game winners for us and I always love players that do that! That being said of the starters he does fall behind Hibbert, BAMF and PG. If we had to choose him or Lance I would keep him. But if we had to choose between him and the other guys it would be no conversation at all.

                  He is also not a true pg and our offense suffers sometimes because of it. Our D is great though so it works out.


                  • #10
                    Re: Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

                    Because he goes under the screen every single time
                    Never forget


                    • #11
                      Re: Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

                      There's a difference between being liked as a person and a community member... and liked for the "special" things that one does on the court.

                      When it comes to "loved as a community member", I would say that Hill is probably in the top 2 or 3.

                      When it comes to "loved as a basketball player", he clearly is 5 or 6. That's not because he's not a good basketball player. It's because there are other players on the team that are better.

                      That circumstance is a lot different than being unloved.


                      • #12
                        Re: Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

                        Dude has ice water in his veins. His buzzer beater against the Lakers last year was one of my favorite moments from last season.

                        One thing I noticed about Hill, he never screws up. He never does anything too great or flashy to get that on-court recognition (except for his clutch plays), but he also never does anything terribly wrong. Most of our players will do something that gets a "what the hell are you doing??" reaction from me at least once or twice a game. I've noticed I rarely catch myself saying that about Hill.


                        • #13
                          Re: Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

                          I didn't know GH was the least loved. But I do know that the ignorant talk endlessly about the "need for a true point guard" on this team. They have a mindset that the "point guard" is the only one who can do a defined set of things for the team. IND doesn't use that formula, neither do quite a few teams. I seriously doubt that Vogel is concerned when he doesn't have a "point guard" on the court at the moment.

                          Those position designations are not all that important when it comes down to it.


                          • #14
                            Re: Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

                            First off, the article says "least popular starter" (emphasis mine), not "least popular Pacer". And when you think that two of them are Roy and Paul, do you think he'd rate higher? People seem to love Lance because he has worked hard and come from a negative viewpoint into a very positive one, and they love DWest because - well, because he's the BAMF. I don't think it is a matter of not loving GHill, it is that he has no real unique identity to latch on to.

                            And, besides, at the games he still gets a pretty big cheer when he is introduced.

                            I think this is a thread trying to tie people's preferences in who and what they see on the floor into love or hate for a particular player. Can we stop doing that?

                            After all, when I first read the subject, I thought it was going to be about Damon Bailey.

                            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...


                            • #15
                              Re: Why is Indy's own the least loved Pacer?

                              Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                              Elite defensive point guard... since when???
                              I'm with you on that. I can't say that Hill is "elite". But what I would say is that Hill is by far the best defensive starting point guard that we have had in many, many years. Maybe even the best since Buse. With Roy and Paul on the team, he dosnt get a lot of attention or credit for his defense, but I would contend that the role he plays is just as important.

                              The major complaint that we've had with previous point guards is that they could not slow down the movement and penetration of the ball. They took away nothing. As a result, Hibbert was a foul machine. Hill, on the other hand, enables Hibbert the time he needs to survey the scene and to best position himself to be prepared for what is about to happen. I'm not taking anything away from Roy, he's worked very hard to elevate his defensive performance. What I am saying is that a point guard like Hill... and a wing like Paul... make his job a whole lot easier than it might have been. Same for West.

                              We don't give up points in the paint as much as other teams for a lot of reasons. We have good individual defenders and a great rim protector. But we no longer have a turnstile at the opponent's point of attack. That makes a huge difference. I don't think we should nitpick on the use of the term "elite"; I do think we should give Hill his due.