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Incorporating Copeland

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  • #16
    Re: Imcorporating Copeland

    How many other teams have backup 3's that are capable of going off offensively? Plus it's not like Solo is a defensive ace who's shutting other guys down.

    He obviously needs some good D-League experience in order to get some type of confidence in his game. Right now though, the kid is lost and teams are just playing him for the pass, which is taking away from any type of chance for offensive rhythm--which is causing us a lot of headaches early in the 2nd qtr

    Copeland can shoot and score fairly well. If he struggles defensively for 6 mins in the 2nd, but is able to hit 1-2 shots then it's probably a wash. This is much better than the net negative that Hill is giving us
    Last edited by Ace E.Anderson; 11-17-2013, 04:04 PM.

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    • #17
      Re: Imcorporating Copeland

      I hope that, if a change is made in the rotation, it is made because it makes sense and there will still be chemistry within the unit. Not because we finally lost a basketball game. I trust that Vogel is smarter than us. (Sorry us.)
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      • #18
        Re: Incorporating Copeland

        Cope shouldn't get big minutes of course, but he needs to get Solo's minutes. As long as he's in with the right group and he hustles, the rest can cover his defensive struggles. His offense can be a big asset stretching the floor.
        Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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        • #19
          Re: Imcorporating Copeland

          Originally posted by AesopRockOn View Post
          I hope that, if a change is made in the rotation, it is made because it makes sense and there will still be chemistry within the unit. Not because we finally lost a basketball game. I trust that Vogel is smarter than us. (Sorry us.)
          A lot of people were saying Solo was hurting us during our win streak, this is not because of the loss.
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          • #20
            Re: Incorporating Copeland

            I think the rotations should be set by the all star game as to who gets minutes with whom.

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            • #21
              Re: Incorporating Copeland

              Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
              I trust Paul George to score while sitting on the bench more than I trust Solo to score while on the court.
              Solo...just like Copeland....should only be trusted to be the 4th/5th scoring option on the floor....as in the guy that is open that can take a jumpshot when the defense collapses on the 1st and 2nd scoring options.

              Their role on the Team ( for now ) isn't to be instant or consistent offense....their role is to be the guy that can hit an open Jumpshot and/or be the "glue guy" that helps out the rest of the Team.
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              • #22
                Re: Incorporating Copeland

                Sorry if already posted. Copeland had some procedure done in the off season. Maybe he was always scheduled to get minutes but wasn't fully ready because of his off season procedure. So Solo getting so much time may have been more about Copeland not being ready and not about being out played or being a better fit.
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                • #23
                  Re: Imcorporating Copeland

                  Originally posted by PacerPenguins View Post
                  bench Solomon Hill for him, anyone else see Sam Young 2.0 in Solomon Hill?

                  YES.. YES.. YES... Solomon Hill has no shot at the moment, He's not ready to contribute to a championship level team. Cope provides deadly shooting, Dude is shooting 50% for the season.. Get Solomon out of the lineup please.. He can't pass, Shoot and commits silly fouls. I get SO ANGRY watching him play. I get Sam Young flashbacks at an amazing rate, When he's on the floor.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Incorporating Copeland

                    I'm okay with Cope's current spot in the location, as long as Frank is a little quicker about getting him in when we are down big. I like Solomon getting minutes now, and like Lance two years ago I think he will be planted firmly on the bench in the second half. Heck, there are nights where he plays better than OJ and they're really not that far apart.
                    Time for a new sig.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Incorporating Copeland

                      Originally posted by 31Since1990 View Post
                      Incorporating Copeland.
                      You mean inCOPEration ??

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                      • #26
                        Re: Incorporating Copeland

                        Originally posted by sportfireman View Post
                        Sorry if already posted. Copeland had some procedure done in the off season. Maybe he was always scheduled to get minutes but wasn't fully ready because of his off season procedure. So Solo getting so much time may have been more about Copeland not being ready and not about being out played or being a better fit.
                        I am willing to give Copeland the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his shooting....but honestly, I do not want to go Small Ball that often unless abusing the oppposing Team with a PF/C rotation of West/Hibbert/Scola/Mahinmi isn't working ( which doesn't really happen that often ). If we ever did go Small Ball...it would only be in those situations where the matchups fit ( I don't want to see Copeland abused in the low-post by Gibson again ), Hibbert wasn't on the floor with him and there are at least 2 other Starters on the floor with him ( some 2- Man combination of PG24/Lance/GH ).

                        Otherwise, I prefer to see Copeland ( if he had the nod over Solo ) playing with as many Starters as possible at the Backup SF spot.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Incorporating Copeland

                          Copeland is 10x the player GG was for us last season. GG offered very lil defense, stupid careless turnovers and disruption of offense, and that was on a good shooting nite.

                          Cope may not be a great player defensively, but honestly worst case scenario if Granger cannot give us minutes, Cope essentially is a poor mans version of Granger defensively, im sorry but the way Cope shoots you gotta find him minutes on this team. Easily within the second unit even when Danny does return.


                          Best case:

                          Hill, CJ
                          George, Lance
                          Granger, Cope
                          West, Scola
                          Hibbert, Mahinmi

                          Were deep. still like to see us acquire another big at the trade deadline. Plumlee woulda been perfect.

                          Like solo and oj but cope is a lights out shooter. Were not gonna be playing him on LBJ.


                          silver lining in the loss to the bulls, we uncovered a gem on our bench. feels like we got thumped but got better at the same time.

                          Get cope an understanding of our defense philosophy now is a good thing. Cope may be huge for us in the playoffs.



                          last ECF game 7 im on record of stating I hoped we could find a guy that gives quick hits like that. evident cope could easily do that during knicks series. korver/redick were way out of price range. spoke of in the Copeland thread earlier this season on why he isn't getting mins. Bird got us a cheaper version and different position than redick/korver.

                          anyways, cope off our bench at sf/pf is going to be a boon to our offense. look at the potiential second five yall.. its wicked good.

                          cj
                          lance
                          cope
                          scola
                          mahinmi


                          shame on those who doubted the LEGEND.


                          * DG33 comes back and this team will win 60.

                          I pray to the Almighty have a 31 jersey and keep this team healthy.

                          Go Pacers!

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                          • #28
                            Re: Incorporating Copeland

                            I kinda figured once we got Scola that this would be Cope's role on the team, the dude we bring in when our offense is stagnant and we need buckets. I've liked our usage of Solo, but I like PacersPride's thoughts on using those minutes to get Cope adjusted to playing real NBA defense. Cope on defense might be worse than Solo on offense, BUT Cope's elite shooting is something we need to at least try and incorporate.

                            First half minutes in November aren't gonna ruin our season, might as well see what we have. I hope we never see the Cope/Scola duo ever again, though.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Incorporating Copeland

                              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                              I am willing to give Copeland the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his shooting....but honestly, I do not want to go Small Ball that often unless abusing the oppposing Team with a PF/C rotation of West/Hibbert/Scola/Mahinmi isn't working ( which doesn't really happen that often ). If we ever did go Small Ball...it would only be in those situations where the matchups fit ( I don't want to see Copeland abused in the low-post by Gibson again ), Hibbert wasn't on the floor with him and there are at least 2 other Starters on the floor with him ( some 2- Man combination of PG24/Lance/GH ).

                              Otherwise, I prefer to see Copeland ( if he had the nod over Solo ) playing with as many Starters as possible at the Backup SF spot.
                              I wasn't speaking on what position Copeland is best suited to play. I was stating that I think Cope could have not been totally healthy earlier, now he maybe and that why we are seeing less of Solo.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Incorporating Copeland

                                I think it's too soon to make assessments regarding Copeland and SHill. However, one thing we do know about Copeland is that he performed well under pressure during last year's playoffs. Neither player is a top ten player on the team, so there's no rush. I'm sure Vogel will get the relative value of each player by half way through the season.

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