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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

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  • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

    Originally posted by Magic P View Post
    I like DG as a person and hope he plays well but he's the most overrated Pacer ever.
    Because there are people who think he is more than an above average shooter?

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    • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

      Originally posted by Magic P View Post
      I like DG as a person and hope he plays well but he's the most overrated Pacer ever.
      Yes.
      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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      • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
        That may or may not be true. But I would hate to have seen a 22 year old Granger (who happened to still be in New Mexico) attempting to guard a prime LeBron James.

        Let's try to not compare Danny and Paul. LeBron knows the difference and it is vast.
        Has Lebron said as much? I know Lebron didn't feel the need to try and injure Paul like he did Danny.

        If you can't compare players how can you know one is better than the other? Paul is obviously a much better defender against most players, but he doesn't really guard Lebron that much better than Danny does, cause Paul has one weakness, his strength. Stronger players like Lebron can take advantage of that. Danny doesn't have the same weakness, making them defensively, at least before the injury, about equal when it comes to guarding Lebron. Offensively they are different players with different styles, so it might be that Paul is a more difficult cover for Lebron, but on average Paul is at a similar level to what Granger was prior to his injury. What make Paul the better player is his defense, but sometimes the match-up dictates that a normally lesser defender might be an equal, or near it, against that player.

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        • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

          Originally posted by Magic P View Post
          I like DG as a person and hope he plays well but he's the most overrated Pacer ever.
          Really? Who are the Pacer greats people rate him ahead of?

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          • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

            How about that block from Granger on Howard. Just sayin'.

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            • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

              Originally posted by Noodle View Post
              Really? Who are the Pacer greats people rate him ahead of?
              Jermaine O'Neal, Jalen Rose, Chuck Person to name a few
              Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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              • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                Originally posted by Noodle View Post
                How about that block from Granger on Howard. Just sayin'.
                Anybody but Reggie and he is not that far from Reggie.
                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                  Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                  Has Lebron said as much? I know Lebron didn't feel the need to try and injure Paul like he did Danny.

                  If you can't compare players how can you know one is better than the other? Paul is obviously a much better defender against most players, but he doesn't really guard Lebron that much better than Danny does, cause Paul has one weakness, his strength. Stronger players like Lebron can take advantage of that. Danny doesn't have the same weakness, making them defensively, at least before the injury, about equal when it comes to guarding Lebron. Offensively they are different players with different styles, so it might be that Paul is a more difficult cover for Lebron, but on average Paul is at a similar level to what Granger was prior to his injury. What make Paul the better player is his defense, but sometimes the match-up dictates that a normally lesser defender might be an equal, or near it, against that player.
                  Paul is much stronger this year. Again, imagine a 22 year old Granger taking on that beast. But sure, Granger can guard LeBron in the post better. That is the one place prime Danny beats the young Paul George. But Paul guards LeBron, even at his young age, where it counts most...out on the floor and in the passing lanes preventing LeBron from making his team mates better.
                  Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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                  • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                    That may or may not be true. But I would hate to have seen a 22 year old Granger (who happened to still be in New Mexico) attempting to guard a prime LeBron James.

                    Let's try to not compare Danny and Paul. LeBron knows the difference and it is vast.
                    You would hate to have seen it? Hmm. Ok...Maybe youre younger, not sure. But quite a few of us actually watched a 22 year old rookie Danny Granger actually guard the MVP runner-up Lebron James in Dannys rookie year 2005-06. 4 times before Danny ever turned 23. And I dont think those of us that watched it hated it at all. Call it baptism by fire or whatever, but Ron Artest had really worked quite a bit with Danny before the season started and it showed when Danny played Lebron. Danny embraced it just as Ron had done years previously.

                    The first game was Nov. 24, 2005. Ron was still with the team so Danny only played about 15 minutes. But between the two of them they held Lebron to 19 points on 6-20 shooting and 6 turnovers. Danny was able to score 6 points on 3 of 6 shooting.

                    Game 2 was Dec. 23, 2005 and by this time Ron was no longer around. So Danny ended up playing 32 minutes scoring 8 points on 2 for 4 shooting and grabbed 10 rebounds while Lebron had a season low 14 points on 4 of 16 shooting.

                    Game 3 was Jan. 24, 2006 and Danny started this game and played 30 minutes, scored 12 points on 4 of 8 shooting and grabbed 11 rebounds while Lebron scored 23 points on 7 of 21 shooting.

                    Game 4 was 3 days later on Jan. 27, 2006 and Danny again started and played 42 minutes....scored 21 points on 8 of 11 shooting and grabbed 14 rebounds while Lebron scored 30 on 12-23 shooting and 6 turnovers.

                    So for the 4 games Lebron averaged 21.5 ppg on 36% shooting...this in a year when Lebron averaged a career high 31.4 ppg and shot 48% from the field. So in Dannys 4 games he was held to 10 under his average and never once scored his average.

                    From the very beginning Danny was always fired up to play Lebron. Not unlike most guys. But as we have seen countless of times hes never backed down from Lebron. But most importantly to your point, Im guessing if you had a chance to watch a 22 year old rookie Danny Granger play the NBA runner up Mvp Lebron James you wouldve been like most of us that were able to do so-quite excited about the outcome and the future and feeling a little more at ease about the fact Ron was gone because we had someone that we felt good about going toe to toe with the King at least 4 times a year for the foreseeable future. One thing for certain, hate wouldve been the last thing u wouldve felt when watching Danny go at him.

                    Like i said earlier...it seems a few around here have forgotten just how good Danny was. Both on the floor and off.
                    Last edited by cinotimz; 12-20-2013, 10:00 PM.

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                    • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                      Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                      Like i said earlier...it seems a few around here have forgotten just how good Danny was. Both on the floor and off.
                      Yep.
                      This space for rent.

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                      • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                        Originally posted by Noodle View Post
                        Really? Who are the Pacer greats people rate him ahead of?
                        I've seen people on this board call Danny the greatest pacer ever. When Antonio Davis was on nbatv he admitted he wasn't a fan of Danny and felt he was overrated. I'm sure other pacer greats think the same.

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                        • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                          Originally posted by cinotimz View Post

                          Like i said earlier...it seems a few around here have forgotten just how good Danny was. Both on the floor and off.
                          Ron was the primary player in the first game. I seriously doubt Granger spent much time guarding LeBron, particularly because Stephen Jackson was also starting and played 35 minutes to Granger's 14.

                          You also fail to mention that while LeBron scored only 14ppg in that game, he almost had a triple double and the Cavs beat the Pacers without Ron. In the first time with Ron, the Pacers destroyed the Cavs by 22 points.

                          Game 3, did you even know the Pacers only scored 66 points and lost by 30 to the Cavs? Do you really think LeBron was being stopped in that game? He scored 23 points with 7 boards and 8 assists. He played about 8 minutes less in that game than his average. Always over 40mpg, he only played 35 minutes.

                          Game 4 you mention, LeBron was dominant. 30points, 7 boards and 9 assists (well over his average)...and the Cavs won again... Not exactly numbers to brag about for a defender.
                          Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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                          • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                            Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                            Three pages of "black hole" conversation and nobody has mentioned that Danny was passing the ball extremely willingly and extremely well in the preseason.

                            Danny's willing and able to pass, if he has good targets.
                            So this is over a month old, but I'm quoting it.

                            Danny can pass just fine. Danny's always done exactly what the coach wanted him to. Put him on a team that values passing, and he'll pass.

                            Did it pretty well tonight, too.
                            This space for rent.

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                            • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                              Originally posted by Magic P View Post
                              I've seen people on this board call Danny the greatest pacer ever. When Antonio Davis was on nbatv he admitted he wasn't a fan of Danny and felt he was overrated. I'm sure other pacer greats think the same.
                              Unless you have quotes suggesting as much you have no basis to make such an assumption. One ex-Pacer who never played with Danny doesn't like him. AD isn't the God of Basketball, his opinion isn't fact, just opinion.

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                              • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                                Originally posted by Magic P View Post
                                When Antonio Davis was on nbatv he admitted he wasn't a fan of Danny and felt he was overrated.
                                I'm pretty sure his wife said that. Or told Antonio to say it.

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