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  • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
    But overall....in 95% of the scenarios where there is a close game....I expect Vogel to go with the best lineup that the Pacers have....which is GH/Lance/PG24/West/Hibbert. I only expect Granger to be used in special situations.
    Once Granger gets back into the flow of things I don't expect it to be so cut and dry. It really should be decided based solely on match-up and how each player is playing that night.

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      Honestly, the way the Pacers management has handled this situation over the last few years is giving me animosity towards Granger.

      I love Granger, but the Pacers PR has just butchered this entire thing too many times now. Last year he wasn't suppose to be out that long, next thing you know he misses the season. It seems like something similar is happening this season. Now, I don't REALLY think he will be out the whole season, but I have such a bad taste in my mouth that I just don't even know.
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      • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

        Originally posted by CableKC View Post
        Let's try to clear this up, because I think that many that are "Team Lance" think that those on "Team Granger" want Granger to close/finish out a game over Lance regardless of the situation.

        I am not speaking for everyone....but as a Team Granger supporter, I want to make it clear so that everyone understands. I doubt that in a close game where Vogel needed a finishing lineup that he would use Granger in the lineup.....especially if it's towards the end of a game during a single possession where the Pacers are defending. But if the Pacers needed a 3pt shot during a single offensive possesion? I can see Vogel going with a GH/Lance/PG24/Granger/Hibbert lineup.

        But overall....in 95% of the scenarios where there is a close game....I expect Vogel to go with the best lineup that the Pacers have....which is GH/Lance/PG24/West/Hibbert. I only expect Granger to be used in special situations.
        You and Nuntius are the only two I recall clarifying that you still want Lance to finish over a healthy Granger.
        "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." óKevin Pritchard press conference

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        • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
          Once Granger gets back into the flow of things I don't expect it to be so cut and dry. It really should be decided based solely on match-up and how each player is playing that night.
          Getting him back into the flow of things is one thing. But at what level? Danny really needs to be back to his old self to eclipse Stephenson. We are talking 95% or higher. Then, I will be fine with sitting Lance at the close of games. But at 80%? I don't think so.

          Also, much of this depends on Lance. If Lance improves much more, he will clearly be the better basketball player. Right now I think it's a legitimate question who is better for this starting unit. I would go with a 100% Danny Granger, but I think that's a figment of everyone's imagination.

          But even at 100%, it's still a close call. People need to understand that this team is MUCH better than the JOb days...and most important that a healthy Danny Granger on this team would not crack 20ppg. There are too many other weapons. The fact is, that dilutes the greatest value Danny brings...which is his scoring ability. Look at our other options compared to the JOb days. Just look at how Paul George is shooting now. He's shooting as well or better than Granger ever did...and actually hitting harder shots than Danny ever did. As a result, no way Danny gets as many touches. Combine that with our far better defense and more methodical approach, Lance's 13ppg average on 47% FG% looks pretty good...combined with all of his other superior skills...all at such a young age.
          Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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          • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

            Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
            You and Nuntius are the only two I recall clarifying that you still want Lance to finish over a healthy Granger.
            I would even say that...at this point...I think a 100% healthy Granger is marginally better than Lance...even considering Lance's overall game. He was indeed a franchise player. But as stated above it's a close call even giving Danny all the benefit of the doubt in terms of his health and Lance's development.

            In any event, I simply don't believe that a 100% Danny Granger will ever return to the Pacers...and in fact I think it's highly likely he is gone from the team in a matter of months.
            Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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            • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

              Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
              You and Nuntius are the only two I recall clarifying that you still want Lance to finish over a healthy Granger.
              I said it before the season a few times.

              Not saying as an "I told you so.", just that I have been under the belief Lance is better in the starting lineup before he managed to do well this season. The kid is good and brings a dimension that Granger couldn't.
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              • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                I knew this would happen at some point. The Pacers are playing so well and without any drama that Pacers fans have somehow figured out a way to manufacture their own drama.

                I think I'm just going to stay away from empty debates like this and enjoy this 1st place Pacers team for what they are currently doing instead of speculating on what ifs.



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                  Why is this even a conversation or debate right now? We are 15-1 and playing great. Lance is a part of that right now, whereas Danny is not. This team could still use some consistent scoring, but right now until Danny is even practicing/contributing in games, then the constant bashing, comparing to Lance, or hypothetical lineups are kind irrelevant at this point.

                  Our team is as presently constructed, and until we can count on the captain to come back and make some type of healthy contribution on the floor, this is who we should expect to see for the foreseeable future.

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                  • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                    I have no doubt that Danny would have been the difference on the game last night and more to come, just his ability to move without the ball would have been huge. Yes, we'd still lose games even with Danny but that doesn't mean we don't need him.
                    Kobe is practicing and expected back soon, Rondo has been cleared to practice, and Jordon Farmer just tore his hamstring and is expected to miss 4 weeks. This is one hell of a strain, I'd like to get an update as to why it's taking this long.
                    Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

                    Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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                    • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                      Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
                      This is one hell of a strain, I'd like to get an update as to why it's taking this long.
                      That would be some interesting info to have.
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                      • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                        6 weeks this week yes? We should see an update by the end of this week IMO, if we don't that would be seriously concerning.


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                        • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                          6 weeks this week yes? We should see an update by the end of this week IMO, if we don't that would be seriously concerning.
                          The 8th week since the injury starts tomorrow....

                          (Edit: Check my math... Oct 16th was the initial calf strain)
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                          • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                            Originally posted by Bball View Post
                            The 8th week since the injury starts tomorrow....

                            (Edit: Check my math... Oct 16th was the initial calf strain)
                            Well I was going from when they announced he would miss the start of the regular season http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/98...espnapi_public

                            Here's my thing about all this: Danny hurt the calf initially on the 16th, then comes back two days later and plays in a preseason game (actually does well 4-7 for 11 points in 16 minutes) and then re-aggravates the calf presumably damaging the strained muscle more. Why exactly did we bring him back at all in that game? Anyway using the 19th as the first day where he had what I'm going to call the grade 2+ strain which I'm going to assume is the actual reason he has missed the time.

                            Using that timeline of the 19th, we're at 45 days today so I guess just over 6 weeks. The report that he was running during practice came on Saturday which would have been exactly the 42nd day since the 19th. I'd like to hear something by the end of the week still, another update, perhaps a target return date. That would be my hope, using the 30th as the date we heard of him running, it is still possible IMO that we are just following a very, very conservative recovery time for a grade 2+ strain.

                            But who knows.


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                            • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                              Originally posted by Hicks
                              Is the 16th the DAL game or the CHI game? The initial injury was versus Dallas, but he played at Chicago and reaggravated it there. I wonder if it started out as a mild strain or sprain or whatever and then became something more severe after the Chicago game? Must have.
                              My theory as well. There are a lot of factors at play here. The team's hot start obviously gives us no reason to rush him back, the spectre of his knee problem looms over this both on the board (our skepticism of what the injury is) and I'm sure within the team (taking the steps to rehab correctly and not have an incident like we just saw Rose have).

                              I honestly don't know, the team doesn't desperately need him, but damn it would have been nice to have Danny last night in Portland to spell Lance when he was struggling like that.

                              We'll see, I really have no idea at this point, but like I said I see no reason we shouldn't see some sort of update on Friday or Saturday of this week. I don't know when/if he'll be back, but that Char/Det double homestand on 12/13 and 12/16 seems like as decent a time as any if he's actually getting healthy. Two opponents we should be beat with multiple days of rest at home between the two games.


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                              • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                                Oct 16th until today is 49 days. He did play and aggravate the injury on the 18th (2 days later) which would then be 47 days ago. So it's been 7 full weeks since the initial injury and Friday will start the 8th week since aggravating it. Either way 6 weeks is in the rear view mirror.
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